“Didn’t happen to me (trust me) so it is not a problem!”
Sorry but it changes nothing.
But doesn’t have cupola weakspot which is a huge change.
Lack of cupola weakspot and mounted MGs.
Yes, this one weakspot makes them on lower B.R.
This guy ^ thinks the Jumbo should go to 5.3, you think the tigers are fine at 5.7 how about you two hash it out?
I don’t care really.
Both of said vehicles are fine on 5.7.
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Heavy tank no.6 has no mounted mg. Meaning for all prospects it should be a 5.7 since it lacks a lot of what the 5.7s have
Both are capable yes. The Tiger is more effective stat wise, jumbo more effective if you know how to play it
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According to your own stats, the T26e5 is the only tank of the list you’ve played. Thus making you inexperienced.
which also means unless you paid GE you have low level crews.
But regardless you haven’t played the T92, m56, M50, or T29, T34, T30 or M551(76)
The only thing I would compromise on is the m56.
Can I go off topic a little? Is the bushed tiger, woodlog tiger and bushed ostwind permanent available or it’s just temporary?
At the moment there was no news about removing it so I guess they are “permanent” for time being.
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Weird, innit? Tons of stuff getting moved up for no good reason. While other things move down. Somehow a Tiger E, the Heavy Tank Nr.6 will be 0.3 BR lower than the Tiger H1.
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I agree for the most part other than USSR kit going lower.
I think both are in the right spot. lackluster reloads but that APHE nukes anything it penetrates and had more than capable enough armour for a heavy
you know my thoughts already
the armour really isn’t that good for 8.3 as its the same as the 5/1 on hull armour, its only higher because of the L7 which is fair but not that much of an improvement
still really damn good armour, both the regular B and 1989 hold up really well at 10.3, lowering them would just compress 9.0-9.7 harder
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It has decent armor, but the T-72B obr 1989 has better armor at the same BR. The T-72B K-1 should not be 2 BRs higher than the T-64B
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The irony
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still think 10.3 and maybe 10.7 is fair for them both as they still do very good as NATO shells are very weak compared to what they should be. Once things like L23 and equal from the germans and yanks are declassified they are going to really struggle
It trades pen for reload speed + explosive filler. The 10.5 cm is a sidegrade at best.
I think that’s more of an issue with the T-62 just being powercrept like hell. Even in the Russian tree you have the Object 435 which is just better. Better transmission + optical rangefinder + smaller profile + 14.5mm machine gun.
I totally agree. I’m still very surprised this thing came in at the BR it did. Anyone who’s played the BMP-1 knows the ATGM is more of a backup shot if you miss than anything. But the 2A28 has a fast reload anyway.
Since the XM800 got moved up, and these tanks are equals, I agree.
BTR-80A is not that fast, has bad armor for even a light tank, terrible reverse, terrible gun depression, and a worse or at best equal gun to the Fox.
As for the Luchs, it’s equal to the Wiesel. Wiesel is smaller and tracked with better thermals iirc. 20mm autocannon tanks in general aren’t that fun to play imo.
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have you played the Is-3? It’s not good.
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yes, that’s the problem though, the 122mms only have what, 230mm pen at 7.7 is nuts. The somua has more pen, arguably better armor, a faster reload, for a 22mm smaller round. Not to mention, it’s next to impossible to kill a Maus with an IS-6 or IS-3 while the maus can just crush you.
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lastly, I was talking about the T-72b, not the T-72B(1989), the latter can stay where it is, the former only has Kontact-1 slapped on it, making it good against ATGMs only, but most things have tandem ATGMs at that BR, and some below it. Thus making it well balanced for 10.0
The breech is also bigger on the Tiger 105, causing more bounces and less flat spacing to be there. But if the t29 is 7.0 > 7.3 then so should the Tiger 105.
Although I agree the T-62 is in a bad spot, moving it to 8.3 is ideal as it has pretty much the same characteristics to the T-55A, being a “side grade” as you put early, if I do that though. Someone will say “oh he’s a Russian main, Russian bias etc etc”. (Funnily enough I’m maining Italy now.)
But the Obj.122 MT has a bit too good of armor to be 8.7, especially with its armament capabilities.
It seems more on Par with the T-62-M-1 (which I don’t really think that T-62 is a big improvement over the OG one, as the turret with its new add on armor seems to be okay, but everyone just shoots the hull and kills the whole tank anyways.)
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Yeah I’m not sure why the PBV 501 is 6.7, it was a very easy stock grind / tank to play, and you have the pen to kill anything while being very mobile. Biggest down side was you aren’t .50cal proof, and the gun bounced a lot.
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the fox still has to be one of the easiest tanks I have ever stock grinded in warthunder. It’s not equal to the USH-405 but it’s fairly close.
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again, if I don’t bring the BTR up, as much as I think it’s terrible… I’ll be a “biased Russian main in favor of Russia” so I found things that could use a nerf in br that doesn’t hinder thier performance greatly such as the shturm, it gets uptier enough as is and rarely sees a downtier). I do think they balance Russia relatively well most of the time, as the outcry of under br’d USSR vehicles always seems to be louder than other nations vehicles.
The BTR is loud, big, has a really bouncy gun. Lack luster pen (I think it slightly under preforms, as from my math, it should be about 90-94mm pen with APDS). And it can get hit in the rear most wheel with HEAT and get over pressured. I think if they removed the bar behind the turret, it would improve it a decent bit. (At least you could shoot back while retreating).
The BTR is most effective against light tanks and British tanks due to low side armor. It may be able to kill some mediums, but things like the m48 are hard to kill on a flat angle on the side.
“Everyone who disagrees with my is just rage baiting.” I’m going to keep humouring you. But this increasingly feels like a thread solely existing to stir up controversy and get engagement.
The Tiger E is an all around upgrade over the H1. The Cupola is one of the biggest weakspots that can’t be angled away and is very hard to hide. Add the non functional Anti Personal Mine Launchers it has, which worsen turret depression which the new Premium and Tiger E, as well as Tigris don’t have.
You are arguing that Tiger E’s should be at a lower BR, while the inferior Tiger H should go up by 0.3. Does this also apply to the German Tiger E? Do you want these two to be switched. Or is it only for the Tiger E’s not part of the German tree?
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