yeah if anything there would be more justification to add greece to germany or france than to israel
or even italy
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If they declared that they would give things to Israel and don’t do it, it’s very unfair. Also, certain sub-trees are based on their location on the map, and since Gajjin saw Israel with few vehicles, and Italy unsuitable for Greece, so they added them to Israel
that’s what i’ve said to @Smin1080p_WT ,… but the fact that Gaijin currently don’t consider Greece to be a subtree, but a tree inside a groupment of nation mainly represented by Israel make difficult to have any changes,… despite Italy having a more urgent needs, that Greece could be filling.
If Gaijin really wanted to add something to israel per region,… Egypt is the true solution,… it’s literally at the border,… or maybe Turkish/Lebanon,… since geography is the only matter. (oh,… it will shock people? but it’s the same by adding greece to israel)
i don’t checked much about Cyprus but they’re clearly closer to Greece than Israel.
they could be their own groupment in the game, adding some east-european country to it.
After that.
Hardly denying a country for subtree (even when it has many reasons) its bc maybe they want to make a TT for it. (or they just dont care about that nation)
Just like Ukraine (for now?), Turkye, North Korea in the past (even when they got many vehicles in the china TT they got their own TT and never a subtree), etc.
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Dont forget the M113 modernizations!!
Either you’re uninformed or lying, and simply pointing to the Israeli SandKat proves this wrong.
But of course, you’re still missing more than that.
Greece Set to Deploy Israeli Long-Range Missiles on Aegean Islands - GreekReporter.com
Greece to buy artillery systems from Israel worth over $600 million | The Times of Israel
Greece to order Israeli Barak and PULS instead of US Patriot and HIMARS
Increased Israel-Greek defense ties opening options for Israeli firms - Breaking Defense
Many fire Israeli ammunition and use Israeli modifications.
Ah yes, because the Marder program definitely has nothing to do with Israel lol
It’s not like Israel developed the TAM 2 series or anything. Not at all.
You don’t care to look. You refute anything proving Israel should have Greece without actually taking the time to learn the historical and military ties. There’s always time to learn.
Israel defense tech reshaping Greece security | The Jerusalem Post
Greece Is Keen to Expand Ties with Israel
Increased Israel-Greek defense ties opening options for Israeli firms - Breaking Defense
And for anyone continuing to utter the “Israel doesn’t have ties to Greece” nonsense, just like you did with India, I’m not even getting started. I haven’t listed even a single percentile of the total evidence against that claim.
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the marder a german vehicle
the TAM a german vehicle based on the marder
all you have shown is a SUV and two upgrades to already existing german systems
but if thats good enough then i guess that russia should be a german sub tree then
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so whats about Greece’s MBTs or Jets are they also made by Israel
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What he is refering its the upgrade of the greek marder, with israel installing the hvms turret. You know, the one of the m113 bardelas with the 60mm sabot.
Its like saying machbet should go to the US because its an M113…
yeah he is just arguing in bad faith
some minor upgrade was provided by Israel, while ignoring where the Vehicles come from in the first place
but clearly that dosent matter
ah yes a country has diplomatic relations with another one
i guess everything should be in the Israeli tech tree then
you cpuld say that the abrams should go into the german tech tree bc they use a german gun
The Abrams does not use a German gun. It’s German-derived. They are not the same.
I don’t think you understand me.
The upgrade of greek vehicles from Israel should be enough to evidence a tie between these 2 nations. With germany not related aside from the sell of the platform long ago.
So theres a reason to see SOME greek vehicles under israel. (like that marder or m113 modernized). If greece its not gonna have their own TT.
If you say the greek marder its german so it should be in German TT. Then so the japanese AH-1 and AH-64 should be as US subtree?
That will just make copy paste of already present vehicles in the same TT.
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Given you started this whole tyrade with the good old ‘promised 3000 years ago’ line, it’s a fairly reasonable stance for them to assume
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You didn’t answer the question.
Israel and Greece are both Mediterranean nations with historical ties and are military partners. They share the same goal of opposition to Turkey, among other things.
Switzerland and Germany do not share many ties. If anything, they’ve been effectively enemies for the majority of recent history.
I did not say Anti-Semitism. I said Israel. There is a difference.
Despite your intentionally anti-Jewish remark earlier, I used that word intentionally.
Good going on breaking forum rules.
Being an ‘upgrader’ typically shows stronger relations than the exporter, and this has historically been the case with india, latin america, some eastern asian countries and so on, this is relevant in war thunder because Greece for example, has had a history of Israeli upgraded vehicles alongside Israeki systems, emphasised with the Purchase of SPIKE, SPICE, PULS & Barak MX instead of equivalent US or French systems.
If your argument that Greece has no military ties to Israel is true, then why would they be replacing key military & strategic assets with Israeli products? Doesn’t exactly scream bad relations.
Not going to address the joke, because even if it’s common, it still has political and generally negative implications to the conversation, implications best avoided.
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Does “a common meme” make the impact less anti-Jewish? This goes for all words like this. Intent matters the most. You intended to be disrespectful on a forum about Military Vehicles by bringing up the country of Origin in a negative, stereotypical light. I refrained from calling you Anti-Semitic, despite the actual evidence against you.
Obligatory reply cause you think you’re a victim after violating Forum rules time and time again on forum behavior.
This could literally go for all subtrees. They’re independent countries.
They already have sub-trees and significantly more vehicles than Israel.
They don’t need it. You’re fussing purely because it is Israel. That’s the issue here. If this was literally any other country recieving Greece, you would not give a shit.
That is the problem.
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Because they both have access to, or lack the need for Greek operated vehicles.
For example: Germany already possesses a domestic variant of the 2A6hel in the form of the 2A6EX, which could just as easily be added
France possesses both the Mirage, Rafale and F-16, the 3 cornerstones of the hellenic airforce, so logically it wouldn’t go there.
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thats why greece has been buying german tanks and french planes for around the past 60-70 years
buying major weapons systems MBT / fighters screems even better relations
having a a contract of multiple hundreds of millions is way stronger than buying upgrades for old vehicles to increase their service live
both the TAM and the Marder are outdated
yes i would because greece could be its own tech tree which would be a way better option than only adding a handful of vehicles somewhere as a sub tree, just so that most of their stuff will never be added
Does Israel offer an export equivalent to the Leopard 2 or Mirage/Rafale… No
Moot point.
So export vehicles over the last ‘60-70’ years are relevant, but not the TAM 2, which is still in service with argentina today?
Anything but giving Israel a subtree 💀