Greco-Iberian Ground Forces Tech Tree

[AspandaIV]

Especially considering that Yugoslavia and Turkey can have their own separate TT’s

[ChieftainWarrior]

@Pipimer

PZH2000GR should be in 7.7

Will change the BR, and probably folder

@Pipimer

Greek M109 , an Greek M44 , M60A3 TTS, M901, leopard 1

All copy-paste and IMO entirely unnecessary. There’s already the Spanish M109A5E; contemplated the M44 originally but there are 3 SPGs at 4.0–4.7 already, and the M52 is slightly more unique; no room for the M901 (and it’s copy-paste); M60A3 TTS is unnecessary copy-paste and bloats the MBT lines a bit; the Leopard 1A4GR is in the tree.

@Pipimer

the new Leopard1HEL

Waiting on an actual prototype to be built, so far it’s just CG renders

@Pipimer

the new Leonidas 2 variant that there is a comment about it ( with 30mm and 2 spikes i think)

Yes, I made that suggestion — when I update the post next I’ll try fit it in (it’s not got Spikes, it has a probable mock-up loitering munitions launcher). Same with the Leonidas-2 EWS and T25.

@Pipimer

the M1113 variants

Which ones? WIll try and add the M113A1 (SAMSON Dual RWS) but are there any others I’m missing?

@Pipimer

the M8

Copy-paste. Not fully against it though.

@Pipimer

finally and most important the L3

Don’t believe they ever captured an L3/33 CC variant — just the ones with single or dual machine guns, which would be useless in-game.

[Pipimer]

the prototype of the Leopard1HEL is done i have made a suggestion but my post is not uploaded yet (it is getting check by moderators) also Greece used Leopard 1a1, also the AMX30B2 , the other M1113 variants will be useless in the game.

[ChieftainWarrior]

@Pipimer

the prototype of the Leopard1HEL is done

No, it isn’t. CG models have been made, and the armour (mock-up likely) was displayed at DEFEA 2025, but no functional vehicle has been upgraded.

@Pipimer

Leopard 1a1, also the AMX30B2

Leopard 1A1 is unnecessary, especially as there are already 7 other 8.0 vehicles. AMX-30B2 is unnecessary copy-paste when the more unique Spanish AMX-30Es are in the tree and fulfil a very similar niche, but are actually domestic upgrades.

[Pipimer]

the armor is not mock-up i am sure about that its called ASPIS (shield in Greek) that is going too the LEO2A4 too. I know that 99% are Ai but i think that this is vot

also do you know about the
Λεωνίδας 25mm
Λεωνίδας 90mm
Λεωνίδας 105mm

[ChieftainWarrior]

@Pipimer

the armor is not mock-up i am sure about that its called ASPIS (shield in Greek) that is going too the LEO2A4 too. I know that 99% are Ai but i think that this is vot

Yes it is — that’s also CG. It’s very obvious if you compare it with all the other renders.

@Pipimer

also do you know about the
Λεωνίδας 25mm
Λεωνίδας 90mm
Λεωνίδας 105mm

Leonidas-1 (ET-90 II) — 90mm
Leonidas-2 (TC-13) — 25mm
Leonidas-2 (T25) — 25mm
Leonidas-2 (EWS) — 25mm

There was no 105mm. The image you have is the Austrian SK-105

[Pipimer]

i dont know about the image but the are leonidas with 105mm
“ΤΟΜΠ Λεωνίδας - Βικιπαίδεια”
i would sent pictures but its illegal in Greece to take pictures of military staff
“Some “Leonidas I” have been modified by the Hellenic Vehicle Industry to carry turrets with a 90 or 105mm Cockerill cannon; this version had a support fire role and could be used in anti-tank missions,”

[ChieftainWarrior]

@Pipimer

“Some “Leonidas I” have been modified by the Hellenic Vehicle Industry to carry turrets with a 90 or 105mm Cockerill cannon; this version had a support fire role and could be used in anti-tank missions,”

No images exist of any of these variants. As far as I understand it, having researched the Leonidas to the best of my ability, no cockerill gun was ever fitted. I believe in at least one edition of Jane’s it simply says “compatible with…”. We know the years that the 25mm turrets were fitted, and that the 90mm was fitted a few years prior, but there is nothing about a 105mm gun. I presume it’s confusion with the ET-90 II version (because it’s a license-built Cockerill 90mm) and the SK-105.

[Pipimer]

i don’t know a friend of mine that he is in the Greek army he said to me that 100% we have same weird looking tanks in storage produced by ELBO also Greek army used the SK 105 KURASSIER Steyr and maybe he saw them ( Steyr owned ELBO for same time ago and the Leonidas is based in an Austrian tank and the have similar hull)

[ChieftainWarrior]

UPDATE

New Vehicles:

• [GR] Leonidas-2 (EWS) — BR 7.0, Rank IV
• [GR] Leonidas-2 (T25) — BR 7.0, Rank IV. Premium Vehicle.
• [GR] M113A1 (SAMSON Dual RWS) — BR 9.3, Rank VI. Squadron Vehicle.
• [GR] Leonidas-1 (Nimrod 300/2) — BR 9.3, Rank VI
• [PT] Chaimite V-200 (Armada 90) — BR 6.7, Rank IV. Foldered with Chaimite V-200.
• [ES] NASAMS 2 — BR 12.0, Rank VIII

Renamed Vehicles:

• Leonidas-2 (ET-90 II) → Leonidas-1 (ET-90 II)

Moved Vehicles:

• PzH 2000: BR 8.0 → 7.7; Foldered with BMR-600 TC-7
• TOA (TC-13): BR 7.7 → 7.0
• Leonidas-2 (TC-13): BR 7.7 → 7.0
• ASCOD LT-105LRF: Rank VI → Rank VII
• ASCOD LPT: Foldered with ASCOD LT-105LRF
• Pandur II (TOW): BR 9.0 → 9.3
• M114GR: Foldered with Pandur II (TOW)

Will update the main post with info about the new vehicles soon.

[Pipimer]

The Greek PzH-2000 are called PzH-2000GR the are not the exact same with the German one. First the don’t have additional roof armor, and they can fire 3 shoots at 10 seconds

[ChieftainWarrior]

PzH 2000 can already reload at that rate, that’s not unique to the Greek version.

Do you have a source for both that being the official name?

[Pipimer]

Αυτοκινούμενο πυροβόλο PzH-2000 GR

[Pipimer]

The Greek Centaur tanks had 0.50CAL on top that made them cinda unique.

i have found one more picture.

[BSpiel8-live]

@BSpiel8-live

A Nationalist Spanish (I think, judging by the Panzer I Breda in the background) T-26 with a peculiar modification; a roof-mounted MG 08. 1.0 Light Tank

Found another photo

Also found a couple other T-26s armed with roof mounted MGs (different than the one in this suggestion I believe)

[BSpiel8-live]

Here’s an interesting one; an SPG of the Portuguese garrison in Macau, China, sometime between 1937-1945. While I can’t ID the truck (a Ford maybe?) the cannon appears to be a 75mm Type 41 mountain gun with an early gunshield, although if this is true I’m not exactly sure how the Portuguese would’ve obtained one.

Macau During the Second World War - Macau Lifestyle

[ChieftainWarrior]

Upgrade for Greece’s M113s developed by Elbit Systems. Features a 30mm turret with optional ATGMs — seemingly a new turret derived from the UT30MK2 —, a new engine (350–380hp), and upgraded armour.

[ChieftainWarrior]

8 separate proposals have been made for Greece’s M113 modernisation program, and they are under review by the Greek Army:

• EODH
  • Multiple variants of the ‘M113 HEL’ proposed at Eurosatory 2024: base, with 12.7mm RWS or 40mm grenade launcher, or complete, with either a 12.7mm RWS, Midgard 200 20mm RWS, or Guardian 250 25mm RWS (and additional upgrades such as spall liners)
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• RAM Europe (and an unspecified Italian company)
  • Could not find info on their proposals, likely not public yet
• EAS (Hellenic Defence Systems) and FFG
  • Could not find info on their proposals, likely not public yet
• Elbit Systems
  • M113 with the UT30MK3 30mm RWS, revealed recently. Features an entirely new hull. At least one prototype built.
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• Rafael
  • M113 with 30mm Samson Dual RWS and Spike ATGMs. One prototype already built and tested: M113A1 (SAMSON Dual RWS)
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• MER Group
  • Could not find info on their proposals, likely not public yet. MER don’t produce vehicles, just electronic systems, so I’m not sure what they’re doing.
• John Cockerill
  • M113 with Cockerill 1030. Concepts shown at DEFEA 2025.
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• Hanwha Defence
  • Could not find info on their proposals, likely not public yet

Source: https://www.defence-point.gr/toylachiston-ochto-lyseis-anavathmisis-ton-tomp-m113-sta-cheria-toy-ges

[ChieftainWarrior]

RIP. Oh well.

[Zulizia]

Bad decision :sob: