Giving the F-16D its I-Derby ER

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That’s if they have the same loadout ofc, and it has a lower payload limit. There’s also some things I’m unsure of, being the initial RWR model used. Lots of stuff to dive into that I hope to get to someday. Anyway as for the FM, yes it’s better, and the best among serial production F-16s, but it’s not an extreme difference to even warrant a separate BR on its own, still worth keeping in mind regardless. And you’re probably already aware but D 30 also has 2 additional spine mounted countermeasure dispensers compared to the D 40

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I checked and it seems to be working just fine, only issue is that the second pulse does not generate a smoke trail

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There are D40s with the extra spine mounted CM pods afaik

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If you can find any images that would be a huge buff, I haven’t seen any that aren’t the D 30. Theoretically it’s more than likely possible, I mean there’s the obvious markings for where they would go and all, just don’t think I’ve seen it done on them for whatever reason

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Regardless, I hope we get the Derby ER on the Barak, it’d be a pretty fun gimmick

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oh thank god, thanks for the info

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Israel shall suffer for all its sins,so no Derby ER. Having regular Derby on C.10 is punishing enough to everyone facing it. Let alone even better missiles on a better frame.

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I-Derby ER and 14.0 makes sense.

Obviously a chunk of dual engine’d fighters need to move up again as well.

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You realize that the derby is just a worse aim 120a right?
And the Barak is at the same br as the Su30MKK with 6 PL12 + 4 PL8B missiles right?

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That aint stopping C.10 from being broken OP atm. Anyway,like i said,Israel shall suffer. We should also remove 120C from their 16 as they dont use it on it.

Su-30 is huge,fat,slow brick. Sure 6 PL-12 are ok,but its the only saving grace the plane have. Otherwise its mid for A2A.

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So something interesting, the Derby-ER when taken from the SAM variant currently is equivalent to the AIM-120D in kinetic range for air to air while also being able to outmaneuver the AIM-120D by a large margin. Here’s a video by @serasа showing the Derby-ER having functionally the same time-to-target as the AIM-120D.

However, the Derby-ER is underperforming in range by a significant amount as demonstrated by this passed report: Derby-ER underperforming in kinetic range // Gaijin.net // Issues

What are the conclusions?

  • Currently Derby-ER enjoys similar range and time-to-target with the best missiles available in the current air to air inventory.
  • Derby-ER out-maneuvers adversaries such as the AIM-120D while maintaining similar range advantage
  • Derby-ER enjoys an advantage of being lighter than its adversaries such as PL-12A, AIM-120D, R-77-1 meaning it has less weight penalties on the airframe since the missile weighs just 122kg compared to something like the AIM-120D that weighs 161kg or R-77-1 that weighs 190kg.
  • Derby-ER is currently underperforming in range by a significant margin so it is expected to outperform AIM-120D and R-77-1 in range while also being more maneuverable than the AIM-120D and only being more maneuverable than the R-77-1 in terminal stages due to the dual pulse mechanic and maintaining a lighter airframe than both.
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I’m sorry but the 120D is horribly underperforming, Mach 1 at just 15km???

Edit: I just noticed the sub 500kph launch speed… That is to be expected as the 120D has a lot more drag at low speed than the Derby

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Well it is understandable since they were launched at like Mach 0.4 and 1km alt, so very very slow and low.

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Can you repeat this at ~mach 1 at 4000m?
Also if you could include the regular Derby aswell

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I passed on the request to the original tester

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Honestly I feel like the Derby ER would do a lot better if it got the old derby loft profile where it just went into the stratosphere so it can activate its second burn in very thin air

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hi, i increased the firing distance to 60km instead of 30km in the last video, launch speed was m 1.09 at 4000m

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Thanks! Tbh I expected a smaller difference between Derby and Derby ER but that’s still a pretty small difference, I wonder if 120A would beat it

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Derby er is missing some burn time currently

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And it has unrealistically high drag

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