doesnt have to be 12.7, the fm can lower the BR but either way the r73 would help
The FM is nearly identical to the MiG-29G
Additionally, adding the R-73 to the MiG-29A would remove the russian and german 12.0 air option entirely, and half the 12.0s in italy.
gaijin should’ve thought of that when they gave one of the best missiles to a blue side plane and just leave all the other nations to dry because they dont make any profit
Saying that when the 27ER was the only competitive BVR missile for the last year is wild.
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You literally have a HMD, use it… I have absolutely no trouble getting a lock with R-73s on the Mig-29G at 12.7, slapping R-73s on the Mig-29(9-12) would immediately bump it up to 12.7, the other lad is right.
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No, it should remain 12.0 instead of going to 12.7 as you demand.
Play the Mig-29G or SMT for R-73s.
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Well the thing is ik war thunder isn’t great for realism these days, but the 29 relies on the r73 for its performance BC of the HMD, and honestly I think the br wouldn’t need to be changed much if they just swapped the R27ER out for the R73, for realism
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The R-73 was developed with the MiG-29 in mind, not the other way around.
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Hi. 6 months later, I know, but what if they removed the R-27ER from the MIG29 and implemented it the way it was originally meant to be implemented, with R-27R/Ts and R-73s? I think this is the best solution here that many people overlook.
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mig 29smt exists
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they wont remove anything
maybe a new mig 29 , but they wont touch the current ones
R-73s weren’t the original missile, R-60Ms were; R-73s came really quickly during late development of course, just not the OG.
It’d be 13.3 with R-73s post-decompression.
I support removing R-27ERs and pushing Mig-29 down to 12.3 though.
R-73s were on the dev when the 9-13 was first added. R-27ERs were not added until January (the update came out in mid December). It could definitely remain 12.7 with R-73s, IRCCM missiles already exist at that BR (Magic 2), and are not really a problem because they can be stiffarmed by FOX1s. The R-27R is kinematically probably the worst FOX1 at top tier except for the Super 530F and Skyflashes, which are more like 11.0-11.3 missiles anyway.
My point being that R-73s wouldn’t be too overpowered because a lot of the time the MIG29 wouldn’t be able to get close enough to use them. Even if they do gate IRCCM missiles are not very hard to decoy compared to something like an AIM-9M.
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That was a thrust vectoring test and you know it. It was not the intended weapons for 9.13, and should never be.
Sorry, but your demand for Russian bias to exist is down right annoying.
Mig-29 with R-73s would be 13.0, and 13.3 after decompression.
6x+ Magic 2s are at 13.0 pre-decompression [Mirage 4000], so your post contains wrong information.
Sorry, but 9.13 is the oldest Mig-29, if you want R-73s, use the SMT.
If you want just R-73s on a Mig, ask for Mig-29K or a Mig between SMT and 9.13.
And stop demanding Soviets get bias.
It’s not a demand for Russian Bias. Its a demand for historical accuracy. The R-73 was designed for the MIG-29 in the early 1980s. The MIG-29 and R-73 were fielded within months of each other. It was a real capability gap that existed throughout the entire 1980s and part of the 90s until the US developed the AIM-9X.
The same type of capability gap in the US’ favor exists in the AIM-7M Sparrow vs R-27R comparison. The Sparrow outpaces the R-27 by a large margin in terms of lethality.
Asymmetry of weapons systems is a natural thing, and it does not signify one plane is more or less “overpowered” than another. It instead allows for differences in playstyle between different nations.
Also, watch your tone. This is supposed to be a respectful conversation. You shouldn’t be so accusatory.
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Mig-29A already has a historical loadout, so no it’s not a demand for historical accuracy.
R-60Ms were historically used with the aircraft.
If you want R-73s, use the Mig-29G or SMT, otherwise wait for more Mig-29s.
Also, text has no tone…
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Text can absolutely have tone. Case in point:
Just because something was used once with the plane does not mean that is all the plane should have. The plane should have what it used for the majority of its service life. Ex. The F-14D should not have the AIM-120.
Therefore, the most historically accurate loadout for the MIG-29 includes the R-73 and does not include the R-27ER. That is what qualifies my demand as one for historical accuracy. I suggest you refine your criteria.
Or just admit you prefer that an aircraft is neutered for the sake of your ease of gameplay…
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We are not military LARPers nor should we be.
I play these realistic simulators to NOT play as a LARPer cause if I wanted to LARP I’d just join.
I prefer aircraft to be at their best BRs with historical loadouts, which all Mig-29s are.
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You’re playing a game, not a historical record.
The horse has been beaten to death about the 9.12/13 having the 27ER - Gaijin has stated that vehicles will receive munitions that they have the capability of using regardless if they ever did IRL. My understanding is there is no real modifications required when firing the 27ER compared to the regular 27.
Like others have said, if you want to play a full toothed MiG-29, play the 29SMT or the 29G or even wait for a later variant.
To me it just sounds like you want still a very powerful airframe with great IRs at a BR where you can just club.