then you know j8’s PL12s are likely never to come
Exactly why I made this post! Gaijin is more likely to add a vehicle specifically for ARH missiles than introduce it to the J-8F.
This is exactly the reason why I thought the J-8C prototype or J-8B-II would’ve been a better choice to save this for whenever PL-12 is added.
The simplest solution for Gaijin would be to rename the vehicle to J-8H - minimal modelling work required for change while allowing Aspides.
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Cause the vehicle still needs the technical ability to be use the missile. Which the J-8F doesn’t.
Personally that’s why I’d rather see the J-8C. If I understand it correct the J-8C led to the J-8F and the J-8D led to the J-8H. So changing it to a J-8C would be basically just making it into a pseudo-prototype for the J-8F that it is currently
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Aim-9J’s were withheld so it could be added at a lower BR. Furthermore it has nothing to do with this topic.
They literally stated that it will get ARH missiles when everyone else gets them.
J8F will never fit the meta. Even when it gets pl12s the br will probably go higher and its airframe is heavily outdated compared to teh 4th gens with amraams it will be facing.
I mentioned above that it will be dead by the time we receive the PL-12, it will be best to receive the PL-11 now and give the PL-12 to another Chinese vehicle (like the J-11 or J-10).
J8F will never fit the meta. Even when it gets pl12s the br will probably go higher and its airframe is heavily outdated compared to teh 4th gens with amraams it will be facing.
Fr, the J-8F will be fighting F-15EXs by the time we receive the PL-12
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Both loadouts stated cannot physically exist in real life without technical alterations, altering a pylon to fit and use a missile it never carried nor could use is no different to altering a radar to lead a missile it never interacted with.
It can’t use the Pl-11.
Only the Pl-11 has been proven to be unable to be use by J-8F. No has proven it can’t use the Pl-8.
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Nowhere have I so far seen anyone claim that the PL-8 to have been used on the extra two pylons that gaijin have implemented it on in game. The idea of the J-8F holding and using 6x PL-8s is purely fictional, and purely by the design of Gaijin. The loadout of holding Two extra PL-8s is as fictional as the loadout of holding two PL-11s. Pylons are what connect the missile to the plane, and are just as important as the missiles themselves, they are not always interchangeable and most certainly not in this case.
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How about give j8f pl8a with irccm so we arent totally f*cked when the patch drops and we’re facing the swarm of f15 and su27s
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You shouldn’t be using the J-8F in that scenario anyway, you should be using the J-11. It’s not like there is no upgrade in the Chinese tree, you aren’t stuck with the J-8F until it gets ARHs
@TPS_Hydra There’s a possibility that might be Shenyang J-8D & J-8H and Chengdu J-10A armed SARH BVR PL-11, J-8F carry medium-range ARH BVRAAM PL-12 only
I expect gaijin add all-aspect infrared Air-to-Air Missile 35G or 40G replacement PL-5B on J-8F in this year or Q1 2024
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And the Gripen using Skyflashes was never a thing
Any form of balancing will help including the PL-8B but from my understanding the PL-8A is just the PL-8 but with support for HMS (the PL-8B is the one with IRCCM).
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Yet, no one has come forward with documents saying they can’t be equipped to those pylons.
Because it’s common knowledge that they can’t be. Gaijin even said in their own words that it was their decision to add this loadout, they introduced it, its not something that could be done in real life. If you want actual documentation, one of the documents used to deny the PL-11 on the J-8F makes note of all the improvements over the J-8II and additions, it is never mentioned nor hinted to that the J-8F gained the sudden ability to use more than 4 IR missiles. The additional weapon pylons are described as a difference in appearance even, alongside the mention that 2 of the overall 7 hardpoints had been altered on the aircraft to carry anti-ship missiles. There is no mention that the 6x PL-8 missile option was a possibility and if there is nothing to say it can, it should not be assumed that it can because there is nothing to say that it can’t.
Document mentioned, link to the origin below:
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/vWZKG5mn6SBI
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