Of course, but its a US aircraft, giving it equivalent missiles of it’s opponents at the same BR would mean it inherently would have to go higher like so many US vehicles, so I’d rather avoid that and keep the airframe at a usable BR.
No one even really uses bombs in Air RB anyway, plus Magics are like 3x better than 9Es. I’d rather have 2 magics than six 9Es. Countermeasures at 10.0 is nice, but it’s not top tier where you want like 200. 18 is fine.
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- It’s a tactical strike aircraft; historically and in game bombing comes first with fighting second.
- People do use bombs. Take an aircraft out at 10.3-10.7 and about half of the F-4Cs and Es on your team will be taking bombs, despite being fighter-bombers where fighting comes first. This is because bombing is simply more profitable than fighting.
- Don’t just compare the 111 to a single overpowered premium. Most nations do not get AIM-9J/P until 10.7. Many 10.3s are still rocking AIM-9Es or Ds as their top missile.
- Remember to consider downtiers. What is a 9.3 supposed to do against the F-111? Except for the F-104s, nothing can even come close to catching it. And with flareless aircraft being common up until 10.0, the AIM-9J would be extremely dominant on such a fast platform.
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- Bombing almost always gets you killed, especially in jets. The F-111 can’t sweep wings with its max bomb load.
- Those F-4Cs get slapped by Harriers or A-5S or Mig-21SPSKs, which is a plane about as fast as the F-111 with vastly overmatching firepower with its missiles.
- There’s more than a single overpowered premium at or below 10.3
- Downtiers have already been considered with planes that may even outperform the F-111
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Yup, I wish I could retract my previous vote on a different poll. I DO NOT want the 111A going up in BR where it will be miserable to play and grind out the spade.
9Es should be the max upgrade the A model should get. Save better missiles for the eventual F model that will have all the bells and whistles.
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F-105D is at 10.0 now BTW
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It should definitely get at least AIM-9E if it is going to be at 10.3, because if it carries any sort of bombload it loses the capability to carry missiles, any the two outer pylons are basically useless in Air RB as they severely lower your top speed.
AIM-9J wouldn’t even be that bad at 10.3, depending on its flight performance, but it seems to me that it is just a worse F-105D in that regard, and the F-105D is already pretty bad aside from top speed (why didn’t F-105 get AIM-9J but F-1 did?)
F-111F can and should come with AIM-9Ms
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yeah lets be honest here, the 9Js just really aint that great… it could probably stay at 10.3 with 9Js
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From what I’ve seen on the dev server, the 111 has pretty dam good flight performance.
Also, the 3A and 6A pylons frequently mentioned above are designated missile pylons for a single AIM-9 each, without restricting bomb load in any way. So two missiles can still be carried along with the maximum payload at full sweep.
AIM-9Ms would be cool but again I’d rather have the 111F be 11.3 with 6x 9Ls than 12.0 with 6x 9Ms. Same with the 111C, which also used both missiles historically.
Maybe the F-111E can fill that gap, though.
What missile on a supersonic 10.3 or 10.7 would you say is better than an AIM-9J? In my experience, the 9J is by far one of the best IRs at the BR.
R-60, AIM-9G, R-13M1 are all better missiles than the AIM-9J in various ways.
Maybe Gs? Though I’ve never used Js so im not sure how they compare.
I’ve never used the 9G
But the R-60 and R-13M1, while having some advantages, in my experience are overall worse than 9Js.
R-60s in particular with their low range are very much dogfighting missiles, making them ineffective for or against something fast and heavy like the 111.
8x9j in 11.0 seems ok. there is f4e with 8 missile at same br and f4e also have 9j.
python 3 on 10.7, aim9L on 10.3, r60m on 10.3
I’ll weigh in on this - Honestly, 9Es probably wouldn’t be awful. the problem would be if you got chucked to 10.7, because at that BR you’re likely gonna start catching the 11.7 bully machines, with 9Ls and 9Ms, and given this thing doesnt have a lot of CMs, I just don’t think its a sensible idea. As it is on dev, it is rather hilarious to toss people 9Bs whilst launching at Mach 1.2, which is… easy enough to dodge but can take you by surprise. 9Es would give people the ability to hit stuff not from directly behind…
and 9Js would probably force this plane up in BR.
So 9Es? idk
9Js? heck no
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Python 3 is at 11.0 on an event vehicle and 11.3 on actually common tech tree vehicles.
And I said supersonic for a reason, ofc AIM-9L on the A-10 is better than the 9J- it’s a direct upgrade. But the A-10 is nearly 2,000km/h slower than the 111. It’s not a workable comparison. Same with the Su-25.
F-111F definitely won’t be 11.3 if it gets the full ordinance load, namely the AGM-130 which is one of the distinguishing features of the F variant, especially if it gets the later variants (which the manual says it can carry), so AIM-9Ms are a must
The R-60’s better agility is a real advantage, even if it’s not better all the time. But AIM-9G and R-13M1 are straight-up better than AIM-9J all the time, they have much better motors and therefore more range than the AIM-9J which is a short-range IR missile. That’s why I don’t consider the AIM-9J’s better range than the R-60 a serious advantage… it’s still terribly short ranged against any supersonic opponent.
Also for another missile that’s quite common at low BR, there’s Magic 1, which is on all sorts of things from 10.0 BR.