Decal updated
Sorry for error.
Gut
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Is the name going to be fixed too?
It should be TH 400, not R400 as it uses the TH 301 turret and given the description of the original post, it doesnt seem like the ingame variant is supposed to represent the post- Thyssen Henschel aquisition version?
Read my text please above.
That still doesnt change that the version they seemingly want to add shouldnt be called " R400 " but " TH 400 "
The Leo 1A5 turret was fitted in 2003 and it really doesnt seem like that the TH 301 turret was used while under the “R400” designation. If anything (and given it’s the version they wish to add), it’d be “H400” instead;
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Ok, there First they called TH-400, then H-400, and then R-400,
Differences between TH-400, and H-400 is pretty much company name only.
Later on when RH bought company. H-400 were modified with RH stuff and renamed into R-400. That’s why its R-400 not TH-400. TH-400 Is pretty much stock prototype, and this is equip with some modern early 2000 modern stuff.
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Said modifications (or “modern stuff”) would be what exactly?
The images that gaijin shows do not indicate any noticeable difference to the regular TH 301 (1985/86 ed) // TH 301/A4 (1996 ed.) turret - aside from the “box” on the mantlet ofc, which still sticks out as rather odd but I do recall seeing something similar on TAM’s, either way it doesnt change much.
In this case, I do not really care about other versions of the vehicle itself but solely about the one that gaijin wishes to represent, which appears to predate the aquisition and subsequent name-changes - atleast according to the Jane’s article you copy & pasted previously (Jane’s A&A 2002-2003, Article: Oct. 2001)
- Rheinmetal Landsysteme turret armed with 105 mm smoothbore gun. Prototypes of the R-400 had a 105 mm rifled tank gun
- Rheinmetall Landsysteme E4 two-person turret with internally mounted, fully stabilised 20 to 30 mm automatic cannon
- Rheinmetall Landsysteme E8 one-person turret with internally mounted cannon up to 30 mm in calibre. There are various stabilisation and fire-control options
Weapons now being offered include:
- Mauser 30 mm MK automatic cannon
- Mauser/Oerlikon Contraves 35/50 mm weapons systems
Fire-control systems being offered include:
- Rheinmetall Defence Electronics AOZ
- Rheinmetall Defence Electronics SEOSS
- Rheinmetall Defence Electronics FAUST
- Rheinmetall Defence Electronics MOLF
Command and control systems include:
- Rheinmetall Defence Electronics ACE (Army Command and Control)
Self-protection systems include:
- Modular self-protection system MASKE from Buck Neue Technologien
These are turrets that may optionally be fitted but never were.
The only turrets that were fitted to the vehicle were the TH 301 (or TH 301/A4) and Leopard 1A5…
There were 3 turrets total in this models.
The south african one doesnt really count, as it’s a different chassis (Class 1)
Otherwise, aside from TH 301 and Leopard 1A5 - I would not know of any other turrets that had been fitted? Feel free to correct me, e.g. by sending images of the third turret.
Rooikat / South African Prototypes like Class 1 had German Technical Assistance, but their are not same.
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- Prototype / “standard” TH-400 turret — 3-man, 105 mm
A three-person powered turret fitted with a 105 mm gun (reports describe it as the common NATO L7 / 105 mm family type used as the prototype main armament)
- Heavier / proposed option — 120 mm (Rheinmetall)
Documentation/marketing claims for the TH-400 indicate the chassis was designed to accept heavier turrets, including a three-man Rheinmetall 120 mm smoothbore as a proposed fit. This appears to have been a design option/proposal rather than a widely-built configuration.
- Modular lighter turrets (20–30 mm and remote weapon stations)
The R-400 / TH-series was offered with modular turret options — smaller autoloading/cannon turrets ( 20–30 mm autocannons), remote weapon stations, and intermediate options (e.g., Mauser 30 mm or 35/50 mm weapon systems). Rheinmetall’s catalogue of turret systems (E-series, Lance family, weapon stations) is consistent with the kinds of modular turrets offered to customers.
- Leopard-1 / large tank turrets — forum / niche claims
Some specialist forum posts and enthusiast resources claim Leopard-1 turrets (or Leopard-derived 105 mm turrets) were trial-fitted to wheeled prototypes (including references to TH400 / related experimental vehicles) or used in exhibit builds. These claims are less formal and rely on photos/comments.
chat.gpt answer doesnt help buddy
There are also countless claims of Thyssen Henschel trying to fit a 120mm on the TAM chassis in collab with Rheinmetall, yet essentially no evidence of that ever happening.
Just because a manufacturer claims they can do something, doesnt mean anything until they end up doing it.
Rheinmetall did propose 120mm gun turrets for lightweight platforms, but those were never trailed on the TH 400 (nor H400, nor R400) chassis.
^ this brochure is from 09/1984 btw…
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proposed option
I just copied text from Janes Armored Fighting Vehicles Retrofit Systems book and ask for chat gpt to make a summary :)
Anyway… I’m just gonna try it this way to hopefully get some clarity on the situation;
@Smin1080p_WT which version is the vehicle supposed to represent or, more specifically, which year is the ingame vehicle supposed to depict?
Pre 2000 or post 2000? (pre/post aquisition of Thyssen Henschel by Rheinmetall)
or even >2001? (redesignation of HENSCHEL Wehrtechnik / Thyssen Henschel to Rheinmetall Landsysteme)
I agree that they dont privide exactly year or date on any vehicle they do post. For example same goes with Tigers there is sooooo many modifications from Tiger Prototype till end production.
Finally, a good event vehicle after months, amazing!
What are the specs of this vehicle
This nonstop event cycle is just horrible…
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