CT-CV 105HP is 10.0, what makes you think this would be lower? Especially with DM63.
Hopefully it won’t be more than 10.3
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Thanks for another clone
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No loading screen? That art looks sick
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Yes so much fun isn’t it? It’s like we can’t pay around 30GJN for the same vehicle just in another tech tree, haha, I’m excited for wasting my time on this copy pasted vehicle.
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Probably a bit higher since it gets the DM63 round and an autoloader.
Compare it to the Radkampfwagen 90 or the CV90105.
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or even better, compare it to the CT-CV 105HP.
And if it had been an old vehicle, you would have comments saying:
“Boooooring. Just another stupid old vehicle.”
Almost as if preferences for older or more modern vehicles were a subjective matter.
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We don’t have the Cockerill 3105 turret in game.
For the 105mm Cockerill turrets only the Cockerill CT-CV 105mm and the Cockerill XC-8 are in-game.
Cockerill websites for each turret:
The Cockerill CT-CV (TM) Weapon System (advanced 105mm) successfully demonstrated its gun launched missile capability - John Cockerill
Eurosatory: CMI Defence and BAE Systems Hägglunds present the CV90105 - John Cockerill
Cockerill® modular turret 3105 : Defense - John Cockerill
The Cockerill Turret series might look like the same turret at first glance, but each version is an improvement in design philosophy.
The ‘first’ turret CT-CV brought an autoloader for large calibre 105mm guns into the series, with the integration of very new munitions such as Belgian MECAR M1060CV ammunition, smart ammunition and Belgian-Ukranian gun fired missiles. Also the great elevation angles were a new addition: -10° to +42°.
Specifications of the CT-CV series + picture:
Main Components
- Two man turret
- Cockerill 105 mm CV gun
- Electro-mechanical power control system
- Panoramic sight
- Fully stabilised day/night gunner sight
- Laser range finder
- Ballistic computer for firing on the move
Characteristics
- Calibre: 105 mm NATO
- Barrel length: 5,586 mm
- Weight: 1,750 kg
- Maximum firing rate: 6 to 8 rounds/minute
- Uniquely high elevation range: -10° to +42°
- Effective indirect-fire engagement capability
Here is the turret on the Belgian army Piranha III.
https://youtu.be/KaDZw1DuMGk
The XC-8 is an upgrade of the CT-CV variant, but with several design changes. The turret was made lighter, but level 5 STANAG 4569 armour was added all-around. The optical systems were majorly updated, with the possible integration of soft APS systems, far more smoke grenade options and ammunition and more integrated environmental measurement systems to help with the ballistics computer in the turret.
Specifications of the XC-8 series + picture:
Main Components
- Two man turret
- Cockerill 105 mm High Pressure gun
- Electro-mechanical power control system
- 2 Panoramic sights
- Fully stabilised day/night gunner sight for both gunner and commander
- Laser range finder/Laser warning system
- Ballistic computer for firing on the move with additional environmental measurement system
- computerized fire control system
Characteristics
- Calibre: 105 mm NATO
- Barrel length: 5,586 mm
- Weight: 1,750 kg
- Maximum firing rate: 8 rounds/minute
- elevation range: -10° to +42°
Here is the Cockerill XC-8 turret and the CV90 tracked chassis..
And now the newest version of this family of turrets is the 3000 series. This is actually a development from the XC-8 version, but with many internal and external changes, such as a new crew compartiment, bustle mount, optics, breach mount, LWD, UAV integration since 2016, new environmental measurement, etc.
There are also plenty of Belgian ammunition types available for the Cockerill 3105:
Some of the Belgian ammunitions made by MECAR which can be used by the 3105
Belgian ammunition, made by MECAR and others.
| Designation | Gun | Caliber | Type | Velocity | Weight | Penetration | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| M393A2 | NATO 105 mm | 105 mm | HESH | 732 m/s | 11,2 kg | 127 mm | In-game |
| M1060(A1) | NATO 105 mm | 105 mm | APFSDS | 1510 m/s | 5,8 kg | 400 mm at 60° at 2000 m | Equivalent to the M833 round (395 mm in game) |
| M1060A2 | NATO 105 mm | 105 mm | APFSDS | 1460 m/s | 6,2 kg | 440 mm at 60° at 2000 m | |
| M1060A3 | NATO 105 mm | 105 mm | APFSDS | 1560 m/s | 6,2 kg | >500 mm at 60° at 2000 m | |
| M1060CV | Cockerill 105HP | 105 mm | APFSDS | 1620 m/s | 6,2 kg | 560 mm at 60° at 2000 m | Superior to M900 (522 mm in game), matching NATO 120 mm |
| M1061 | NATO 105 mm | 105 mm | HEAT | 1173 m/s | 10,5 kg | 400 mm | Modernized M456A2 |
| Falarick 105 | Cockerill 105HP | 105 mm | GLATGM | 370 m/s | 24 kg | 550 mm behind ERA | In-game |
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Yep, I’ll be grinding this…
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Does it still get Falarick though?
(Not to mention it is, notably, much smaller)
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and meanwhile gaijin refuses the ofl 105f2 for the vextra (430 for the 63 and 489 for the f2) and prefer to give it a shell it never fired.
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No padre no.
Congratulations for another 20 days of no life event for probalby the last thing germany need in his TT. Menwhile the 80% of german TT can stay rotten near 30% win ratio for another months.
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I don’t understand your point.
Are you suggesting that 80% of the German TT is “rotten near 30% win ratio” because of its vehicles…?
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Of course, Gaijin is desperate pushig the massive german player base to 70 bucks premiun zone cuz obvious reasons. thats why Germany between 3.3 to 8.3 is practically abandoned.
Or maybe the higher, more modern tiers are just more populated because people… like them more?
This is true across all tech trees, not just Germany; Top Tier is simply one of the most successful BR ranges because a lot of people like modern machinery.
Gaijin just releasing modern vehicles does not force anyone to go after them. Whoever likes 3.3-8.3, will play those BRs regardless of the higher tier additions.
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Will the Boxer series get his spall liner? (Community Bug Reporting System)
Also, will it come with the Falarick 105 ATGM found on the other Cockerilled turreted vehicles? There is no mention of it in the post.
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is it weird that I know the caliber of that rifle?
It’s so cool that Germany, the nation that has absolutely no need for more light tanks, gets boxers before the UK.
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