I think germany rank VI is missing some vehicles, thats why i want to see the NVA vehicles like the t-55, zsu-23 shilka or the bmp2! i think that would be a nice addition to the game,
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2 Leo, 2 M48, Kpz, Tam wasn’t enough?
Gepard alr exist
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yea why add German Vehicles that we used for DECADES and are very Legendary because theres another one from another Germany
after all who cares for german History and which Vehicles we had in a Historical Military Vehicle game
Only thing i agree
certain brs do lack vehicles to fill a line at certain brs like for example germanys 7.7 line up is mostly 7.3s and there 8.0 line up is leopard 1 and rest are like 7.7s its a little annoying
The game lost all of its uniqueness between nations due to copypasting everything and now every nation is the same as other nations. That said, who cares they already ruined the game, just give them to germany atp
one, the 2 leopard are ehh, the leopard a1a1 is poop and should be moved down to 8.7, the a5 is ok, both m48s are dogshit, case in point people keep asking for the m48a2 ga2 to lose its dart and be moved to 8.0, the m48 super is just unfixable. the kpz is insanely good, your one of 2 good mbts, (yes not counting the leopard 1a5 its that average) and tam is also nice, but it lacks having a lineup so it get forced into a 9.3 lineup, so having more 9.0s would make moving up in br easier.
- the gepard is nice but germany 8.0 lineup has the marder as its only spaa… the shilka is very much needed. or move the gepard down… ya we can agree the shilka can be added.
and 3) the bmp2 would be 8.7, not 9.7, and would help bolster the 8.7 lineup which has 1 vehicle. 2 with the leopard 1 a1a1 change.
so whats your argument against not adding these nice additions, also would require zero work from gaijin to add these vehicles.
actually german 8.0 lineup is pretty good, the only thing it lacks is planes (but thats thanks to germany being the second worst air tree in the whole game, with sweden leading first place) and spaa. and oh god does the lack of spaa fuck you over.
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We don’t need to recompress the game by downtiering a bunch of tanks and the a1a1 is fine.
Why would A1A1 be "poop’ but 1A5, a tank that only adds a LRF, a slightly better dart, and gen1 crappy thermals to the A1A1 becomes ok at a higher BR?
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its quite simple. its solely the laser range finder doing all of the work.
you gotta remember by 9.3 90% of the tanks have darts, laser range finders and stabs, if you dont have all three of those youre gonna suffer. and as such if you dont have those as well at 9.0 youre gonna get your face smashed in if you try sniping, and would you look at that the only good role the leopards fill are sniping and back line support.
also the funny thing is, the m48a2 ga2 is at 8.3 with having the same thing the leopard a1a1 has minus the stab, and that is also considered bad.
A lot of experienced players do not even use the LRF under say, 1000-1500m.
a1a1 has the 2 most important ones, dart and stab, and only lacks LRF which can be fully compensated with skill/knowledge of just knowing the ranges/drop
They can snipe, support, and flank. In fact they can do literally anything other than eat shots.
stabilizer makes a massive difference and the m48 is also half the speed
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It’s not terrible, just mediocre, it is outclassed by the TAM, though the TAM itself is kinda unbalanced. The Leopard A1A1 definitely doesn’t belong at 8.7, 9.0 is fine.
No one’s seriously asking for that, especially after Gaijin compressed the 8.0-9.0 bracket. Doing so would just make it a slower Leopard 1 or a worse M60. Move it to 8.0 then what? Ur still stuck in constant 8.3 matches thanks to Turms spam.
It’s not that the tank itself is bad, it’s just not as good as other German’s 9.3. It’s basically a fatter, slower Leopard 1A5. Still usable as a backup, though.
Most nations don’t have both 8.0 and 8.3 radar SPAAs, why should Germany?
We don’t need lazy copy pasta when there are plenty of domestic light tank designs still waiting to be added.
copy pasta, and u are just reinforcing my point.
For the whole cold war br range it isnt enough. There are gaps in both mbt lines. Although you are right that gdr tanks arent needed because unique swiss tanks (e.g. panzer 61 etc.) would be better. For example Panzer 58 would fit nicely between 7.0 and 8.0 and would give there an mbt/medium tank
Less c&p is always better and swiss tanks can substitute most gdr tanks. Seeing swiss non c&p tanks would be better aswell to represent swiss vehicles better (now that they are a subtree)
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Yes, we need East German vehicles to be added. The excuse was that it will make the game less unique, well, after leopards being added to other nations all over the place I think it’s finally time to get historical vehicles.
I can confirm this, I’m average at WT and i just guestimate my shots at short distances.
agreed
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I have also had a pretty miserable experience with the Leopard 1A1 and 1A5. The current autocannon meta, especially the 30mm and 35mm SPAAs, as well as the map design, game modes and game mechanics, have rendered these tanks and their intended roles pretty much useless.
Gaijin has practically eliminated flanking by removing flanking routes and sniper points in their changes to existing maps. Meanwhile, the new maps increasingly resemble COD and BF maps, having a few fixed lanes that everyone has to go through.
These leopards can only really be used well on large, open maps with the “Battle” game mode. But these only appear in about one out of every twenty games. The rest are just stupidly small, and having a ‘sniper tank’ with good zoom doesn’t provide any significant advantage.
The biggest nail in the coffin, though, must be the scout drones. I have absolutely no idea who thought it would be a good idea to have modern scout drones on light tanks from 8.3 onwards. Combined with the small maps, flanking is almost guaranteed to result in instant death nowadays. You can be spotted as soon as you leave the spawn, marking you to the entire enemy team. Under these conditions, pulling off a successful flank reliably is just very unlikely.
To be fair, this is an issue that many MBTs at this BR range face, not just the Leopard 1s. However, I’d rather take a T-62, which is just as good a support and sniper tank as the Leopard 1s, with the added benefit of not being an easy target for any of the autocannon tanks/SPAAs running around at that BR.
Alternatively, I would take something like the Soviet Object 685, which has APFSDS, a LRF, STAB and an autoloader, as well as, most importantly, a scout drone. Its mobility and survivability are pretty similar to those of the Leopard 1s. In any flanking gameplay, the drone gives you a significant advantage over the Leopard 1A1 and 1A5, as you can spot them without being spotted yourself and mark them for your entire team. And you get all that at 8.7 instead of 9.0 or 9.3.
It would be great if they added more competitive tanks between 8.0 and 9.3, like the T-55A and T-55AM. The BMP-2 would also be a good addition to the German IFV line, filling the gap between 8.0 and 9.7.
Germany dont have a single 7.0 (outside the removed tanks) only 2 trash 7.3 . 7-7 is kinda meh not bad but not good.
So yes NVA tanks should a good option for fill the gap.
Only one of those is the same BR as the T-55 and it’s unstabilized. Germany is one of only three trees without a stabilized tech-tree MBT below 9.0.
Again, not the same BR. It’s 8.3. Which means it has no lineup at its BR. And it’s not like trees can only have one SPAA per rank- look at the British tree lmao
Bro that’s 9.7… not exactly a good comparison to an 8.7 vehicle
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If you want a tank with stabz below 8.3 you need pay.
If you want acces to scout in rank 3 you need pay.
If you want a non nerfed Tiger 1 you need pay.
If you want a non nerfed Tiger 2 you need pay.
If …
Is very pathetic what Gaijin is doing with Germany.