We had to explain you that the 2a8 uses the same ammo as the 2a7V and called the 2a8 “next lvl” cause you werent even aware what is even relevant for it.
What the DM73 even is.
So yeah your knowledge is questionable at best.
Not my problem if Gaijin don’t add the DM83 because DM83 is next level
Dm83 doesnt even exist yet. Thats the first problem in your knowledge base.
You definitly think the 2a7V and Hu are the exact same tank as well. The way you think about 2a6ex and 2E
You sure about that? Because other says it already in service
Whatever you say dude I seriously don’t care… Keep believing whatever makes you happy
In a training facility (not a real tank), no motion of the vehicle, blast doors kept open at all times, gun never levels into firing position and no real ammunition.
Sure.
Realistic combat rate of fire is around 7.5 - 8.6 seconds according to primary sources.
Here are 2 post about both of said tanks by some cool guy, where he goes about their general everything
yeah 2a6ex, 2a6E, 2a6hel, they definitely feel and look real similar, but there are still some clear differences about them, 2a6hel is definitely less similar to 2a6ex,
Hel is a much more modern greece variant, where is 2a6ex is an older prototype which was literally the base for spanish 2E and aforementioned greek HEL, alongside another prototype, 2a7+ in the future, so like, there are at least differences in commander/gunner thermals and some other stuff, albeit in game, they would feel EXTREMELY similar, that much is for sure
All the same tank. They are all from 2a6EX. In the case of 2E and 2HEL they are simply more modern as they were fitted with domestic equipment in parts like radios and gen 2 thermals. They aren’t special it’s just a slightly more modern 2a6EX upgraded to what the nations needed.
There’s no actual connection between the tanks here. I mean maybe you could argue the fact it had a urban option like the PSO that was based on 2a6EX but your really stretching.
Really ? i mean, the 2a7+ was taking 2a6m hulls and upgrading them to that standart, whereas 2a6EX was the supposed next step in the 2a6 program, both being scrapped, in their respective years because of money i assume
I mean, i know im stretching but, aren’t there multiple years apart between Hel and EX ? Wouldn’t the armor array inside potentially change ? Cause i think i remember hearing Hel having better protection than EX, courtesy of being newly built(more modern, duh)
Just a upgrade kit it’s nothing special lmao it’s like the 2a6EX or TVM or anything else or well in the case of Hungary they took 2a7+ and upgraded it again to their specifications.
It was not based on the 2a6EX or anything like it. Just a more advanced tech demo for exports.
Not really. 2a6EXs last showcase for export was in 2009 in turkey that’s 1 year after 2HEL was brought I can’t remember 2a6EXs original showcase I think it was like 2002 ish area but don’t quote me on it.
I personally don’t believe any of theses claims. At The point 2a6HEL was brought the standard hulls were D techs from 6-8 batch leopards nothing to say the Greeks upgraded it further and probably couldn’t of kmw was incredibly specific with what exports could do with their leopards.
And btw we are talking a gap of like 8 ish years max and the leopards post cold war weren’t exactly upgraded alot until 2a7+ in like 2010-11
Nahhh bro 2HEL is obviously a complete different tank than the 2EX because it has air conditioning /s
Don’t forget the Greek radio or whatever
Most important the data transfer cable to a CAN BUS rather than the MIL BUS 1553, making it a brand new tank
just to clarify 2a7+ has “less” armor than 2a6Ex ,E , Hel, being an upgrade to preeexisting 2a6s, whereas ex==E==Hel, in terms of general protection with some minor differences in construction on other fronts then and there, yeah ?
i mean what’s fucking with my brain for example, is, leopard 2E production started from like 2002 and ended in 2012 i think ? And its a fucking 10 year gap, and in that fucking 10 year gap, there ain’t no differences like, just as an example, batches 4-5 of leopard 2a4 and last batches 7-8 with better armor being C tech
And like, the production of Hel also lasted a litttle while, no ? I would expect some internal changes to composition, either that or its just my wishful thinking really
Also with 2a7+ quatar and 2a7+ HU, i expect them to have a better level of protection than 2a7+ urban ops and duel ops showcased way back when, with them being newly built and shit, perhaps better level of protection than 2a7v, with V being upgraded older vehicles
2a7+ would have identical armour lol it used MEXAS as well idk what the last part of your sentence was tbh so I’m not going to attempt
You can just look at the 2 tanks here
2a7+
2a6EX
It’ll be the same as the 122s we have in game since improved German armour is a marketing lie.
i mean, maybe i am putting too big of an emphasis on “newly built” and its not actually that big of a deal, but i expect there to be difference between a tank that is newly built with mexas-H(E, Hel), and a tank that is an upgraded 2a6(2a7+ models)