That’s a round for initial aim adjustments. It has the ballistics of the AP round but is fitted with an impact fuze. So a big spotting round.
Topic “cleaned” from previous answers to have alle the main thread with the first 2 comments together
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I have added to part 2 at the end a small WW1 Section (still also WIP and may also be expanded, if there are more guns that existed in some self propelled form, or at least planned with incomplete prototypes, such as Marienwagen Gepanzert, which was to carry 2x 2 cm Becker Mk.II and 2x 13,2mm Mg TuFs).
Added the 5,3 and 5,7 cm Gruson Guns, as found on the Fahrpanzer of which at least 1 was placed on a Truck.
Even tho with hella loud music, it shows full films of shooting, including the stubby 3,7 cm Sockel-Flak L/14,5.
What is the actual suggestion you are making?
This isnt a suggestion. Its an informatic topic.
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I see.I wish the Forum was properly set out like any other forum : )
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thanks this will be useful
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scalled up maxim machin gun funny
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Updated with the addition of 3,7 cm Pfeilgeschoss/granate (APHE-FS) and 8,8/5,25cm Pfeilgeschoss (APHEDSFS) More info and possible tests greatly appreciated!
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I’ve seen some sources saying that the Germans called the 5,7 cm Maxim-Nordenfelt L/26 the “Belg. 5,7cm K.” Is this true?
No idea, but captured ammo had casings of belgian production and i remember that some guns were captured there, so maybe?
Fortress gun
In 1887 the Belgian War Ministry ordered 185 5.7 cm fortress guns to arm their fortresses including Namur and Liege. The 5.7 cm Maxim-Nordenfelt was a short 26 caliber gun and not the longer 42-50 caliber QF 6-pounder Nordenfelt naval gun. It was a typical built-up gun of the period made of steel with a vertical sliding-block breech and it fired fixed QF ammunition of a number of different styles. The guns were mounted in Grusonwerke gun turrets or in armored casemates on central pivot mounts and used in an anti-personnel role.[1]
Infantry gun
In addition to its fortress gun role, it was deployed in an infantry gun role. The guns were mounted on light two-wheeled box trail carriages without a recoil mechanism and protected by a three-sided gun shield. During 1914 the Germans captured large numbers of these guns and used them in the infantry gun role mainly to engage enemy machine gun nests in support of infantry assaults. In 1916 the Germans had 450 of these infantry guns in service.[1]
Also, I found the original manual the names Gr. (P.) Gr.m.P. (P.).
It’s not a P. in parentheses, it’s a ? and the . after the P is actually the dot on the question mark. This makes sense because it’s a British document from 1918 and, judging by the abbreviation table in this document, Gr. would just be Gross which just means “Large” and Gr.m.P. would be Gross mit Phosphor which means “Large with Phosphorus,” neither of which make sense. So now I am trying to find the actual designation, but I don’t know where to start.
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I know of that, its Notes on German Shells 1918 Second edition. (Or first)
And your assumtions is completly wrong.
Gr. Is Granate (Grenade) and m.P. is mit Panzerkopf (with AP head.)
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This is not my assumption, this is this own document’s abbreviation table.
The document lists Granate as G., not Gr., and P. is listed as Phosphor. Even if this was P. (P.), that would be Pulver.
Granate mit Panzerkopf would make sense, but this document lists the abbreviations as Gross and Phosphor.
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Probably some translation error.
m. P. = mit Panzerkopf
If Gr. meant large it should be in lower case letters
→ gr. for gross
Oh wait true you do make a good point.
That also lists m.P. as mit Panzerkopf, your 3rd picture
11th line.
I have added the 15 cm Mi.Gr.44 SAPHEDS-FS 70 kg 344m/s however unknown filler mass and type (tho most likely Amatol, because good, save, cheap and castable, like in the 15 cm I.Gr.)
If anyone knows the Filler mass that would be nice.
Source: H.Dv.119-256 and RH 8/252
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