as much as i think it would be funni to bring lineup with pantsir, Su-34, type 10, 2A7V and both Strv122A/B, i dont think it would be balanced.
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yea i dont speak for him nor do the more common to see brit mains. however as India has been a subtree for a while now and we still don’t actually have a single good vehicle from that country it would be a welcome change from the same old underwhelming C&P or DOA slop
entirely fine by me. I have exactly zero issues with that.
BUT
you cant have it both ways, ie. britain getting the good stuff from india subtree while at the same time denying swiss vehicles from swiss subtree to germany.
Switzerland as a subtree is very recent, was probably planned after the hunter sqdn vehicle (which should never have happened)
a subtree having nothing of merit when a brand new one drops very good ones for another tree (none of which fill a gap btw) makes it appear more of an intentional move.
Switzerland will also have more hunters than the British tree now (that are obtainable) which is just insane.
does not change a thing about what i said, ie. wanting britain to get the good stuff from india subtree while at the same time deny swiss vehicles from swiss subtree to germany.
i mean yeah probably, you dont model several new aircraft by accident.
that was as much of a surprise to many german players as it was to everyone else, especially when gaijin dropped it out of the blue.
does subtree need to fill a gap in order to be introduced? that quite limits to which subtrees can be added and to which nations.
i will politely ask for you to elaborate more, as i dont quite get the point.
Theres the squadron one, the older variant of the squadron one in the TT (checking the dev stream now). Thats two hunters, both used by swiss airforce. britain has also two hunters in the TT and i believe theres one premium (sure, not obtainable, but its there).
however i do get the point. its not limited to UK hunters tho.
sweden gets two TT 2A4s, germany has one. if you count premiums, sweden has three 2A4s, germany two. hell, between the finland subtree and before the addition of 2A7V, sweden had better Leopard 2 lineup than germany (with two uparmored Strvs and finlands 2A6).
now france is going to have two Leopard 2A4s, with one TT and one premium.
even if you want to argue that germany gets better hunters than UK, issue is still not limited to UK. US gets two F104s, italy has four including premium one which have better kits (not neccesarily better variants for the BR they are at but you get the point).
Issue is by the time the swiss upgraded their hunters (1964), britain already phased theirs out from daytime fighter service (1963).
and its not like britain cant get more hunters, being, you know, country that actually manufactures them.
I will whine about it until the end of war thunder.
the backlash over the hunter going to Germany was bad, that’s probably why the tree was only just announced publicly.
Vijayanta is a vickers mk1 copy-paste
Bishma is a T90S, who cares it has stock HEAT and doesn’t fit British playstyle
jaguar IS is a jaguar, trash
OSA and stela are lazy copy-paste at a BR where Britain has too many SPAA already
Marut is DOA, only thing of merit is that is almost able to be called fast and has an air spawn.
the hunter issue is a sore one as the hunter is quite a legendary British aircraft, yet its more accessibly available as an export when it wasn’t that much of an export aircraft at all. We probably wont get more as nobody uses them as they are far too high in BR to be usable unless you’re the best pilot in the lobby
Leopard 2 is spammed across the game its not a good example as its overrepresentation has made top tier extremely dull.
If they desperately needed to implement Switzerland, they should have done so as premiums/SQ vehicles and give them to the manufacturing nations.
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I dont agree with nations being split apart. its the main reason why I want Canada and Australia to be put into the British tree, to stop that happening to Canada and reduce the risk to Australia.
a non set tree nations vehicle should still go into the native tree, so that hunter should have been in Britain.
Oddly enough a similar thing happened the update before south Africa became a subtree. the Class 3P went to Germany as an event vehicle, meaning you can never play it with other SA vehicles. was absolutely an intentional thing to smack SA and Britain in the face like that
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Germany has the best kv2, best t34, a p47, multiple kv1s, a yak and il2, better sabres, the f86k, the mig 29s su22s and mig 27s and 23s and soon the f5 and f18. oh and phantoms so yea no more ATP dont even play any other nations.
m48
Edit: Germany also has the m41, m109, m48ga2, m48 super, strela, and osa.
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As a Swiss i just get personally pissed off by the arguments of why Switzerland should be in Germany. Because we are so similar and speak the same language, which is both not true.
With that reasoning it could have as well went to Italy or France, or Austria (oh wait, they already anexed them).
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the only thing they dont have the best of is the leopard 2, but that’s only one thing they don’t have best of.
oddly enough i thought Switzerland should have gone to France, I don’t know much about the country but it gives off more french vibes than german (I know as an Englishman that sounds like an insult but its not) Italy would have been better as far as bolstering a trees offerings though.
Calling the Swiss German because one of your many main languages is german is also very silly.
They lost the war and actually unironically needed the coldwar/modern copy paste in air, USSR has plenty of captured copy paste in ww2, US not so much. Also technically half of Germany was part of the USSR for a while so it make sense to have a lot of those vehicles.
inb4
shouldn’t have lost the war then
East Germany was not part of the soviet union, it was a separate nation like the rest of the Warsaw Pact
Yea but giving better vehicles to germany all though america has made better versions as well yet we dont see those in game???
Well, in my experience French and Italians are welcomened here easier then our northern neighbours. For reasons we don’t have to discuss here.
Exactly, and again, most of them don’t even understand Swiss Germans or make fun of it.
Altough all Swiss German speakers can speak “normal” German.
So as in the additions of indian vehicles up until this point arent good? And thats what makes the swiss subtree to germany bad because their additions are good?
As described in the previous comment. Britain phased out theirs while less wealthy airforces had to make do and upgraded their fleets. Thats why britain cant get more advanced ones unless theyre from different airforces.
Same with F-104s. Italy phased out theirs in 2004.
One year before F-22 got introduced into US service.
It is perfect example. A signature vehicle (much like Hunter) that suffers from being heavily exported and nation different from origin country having access to more (as case with sweden) or better variants (at certain point of game life cycle).
Part of it was also British
Ill have one leopard 1 and everything made in the north west of there thank you very much
