Germany has the best kv2, best t34, a p47, multiple kv1s, a yak and il2, better sabres, the f86k, the mig 29s su22s and mig 27s and 23s and soon the f5 and f18. oh and phantoms so yea no more ATP dont even play any other nations.
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Edit: Germany also has the m41, m109, m48ga2, m48 super, strela, and osa.
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As a Swiss i just get personally pissed off by the arguments of why Switzerland should be in Germany. Because we are so similar and speak the same language, which is both not true.
With that reasoning it could have as well went to Italy or France, or Austria (oh wait, they already anexed them).
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the only thing they dont have the best of is the leopard 2, but that’s only one thing they don’t have best of.
oddly enough i thought Switzerland should have gone to France, I don’t know much about the country but it gives off more french vibes than german (I know as an Englishman that sounds like an insult but its not) Italy would have been better as far as bolstering a trees offerings though.
Calling the Swiss German because one of your many main languages is german is also very silly.
They lost the war and actually unironically needed the coldwar/modern copy paste in air, USSR has plenty of captured copy paste in ww2, US not so much. Also technically half of Germany was part of the USSR for a while so it make sense to have a lot of those vehicles.
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shouldn’t have lost the war then
East Germany was not part of the soviet union, it was a separate nation like the rest of the Warsaw Pact
Yea but giving better vehicles to germany all though america has made better versions as well yet we dont see those in game???
Well, in my experience French and Italians are welcomened here easier then our northern neighbours. For reasons we don’t have to discuss here.
Exactly, and again, most of them don’t even understand Swiss Germans or make fun of it.
Altough all Swiss German speakers can speak “normal” German.
So as in the additions of indian vehicles up until this point arent good? And thats what makes the swiss subtree to germany bad because their additions are good?
As described in the previous comment. Britain phased out theirs while less wealthy airforces had to make do and upgraded their fleets. Thats why britain cant get more advanced ones unless theyre from different airforces.
Same with F-104s. Italy phased out theirs in 2004.
One year before F-22 got introduced into US service.
It is perfect example. A signature vehicle (much like Hunter) that suffers from being heavily exported and nation different from origin country having access to more (as case with sweden) or better variants (at certain point of game life cycle).
Part of it was also British
Ill have one leopard 1 and everything made in the north west of there thank you very much
Germany is still under US occupation, just give it to the US as a subtree.
And since the US speaks english, Germany and the US need to be implemented in the UK tree.
Easy.
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Hunter wasn’t heavily exported.
we sold some to the indians because they couldn’t (still cant) make a decent jet fighter as seen by what happened with Marut. The Swiss as they were also buying our Centurions and the Swedish, who were also buying our centurions.
It was not a commercial success at all.
By Jingo you have a deal
this is second hand sales and sales so small its irrellevant. did forget about the dutch, they bought pretty much anything we would sell them. same with the saudis.
Its no American or Canadair sabre or fiat G91
and Rhodesia was still British at the time so doesn’t count. The rhodie hunter is the unobtainable premium btw, do want to get my hands on it.
*dont bring up the US exports XD
I will give you sabres but you are dead wrong about the rest.
Sweden bought 120 hunters. With only some 1900 hunters being made thats also relevant number.
770 being made, significantly less than hunters, and was used only by italy, w.germany, greece and portugal. Much shorter list than that of hunter operators. (Also US tested 2 but only tested).
with well over half of them being in RAF service.
140 indian
only 24 in dutch
160 swiss but a lot were second hand and not bought directly
112 belgian.
FOUR saudi
SIX somali, seriously the somalians had more than the saudis
couple aircraft here and there for the others isn’t really anything, most of them were sold out of British, dutch and belgian airforces.
and still tiny compared to aircraft exports from other major arms seller countries
Second hand export is still export as there are usually origin country approval requirements.
And back to the original point, hunter was exported, and britain phased out theirs and moved onto more advanced design, whereas other countries had to upgrade theirs.
Sad fact, but nevertheless it means britain cant get more advanced hunters unless its from different airforce.
i am pretts sure the german one is the one with the gian cupola weakpoint
realy crying about a t-34 thats a step in between the 2 russian version and sits at 4.3? russia still has the better ones sitting at 4.7
tell me again how many trees have bf109, leopards of any kind etc.
Take a guess what export nations are, all the ones you named are either captured look at franch panthers ,swedish king tiger 2, japanese tiger etc, or imports from cold war were germany was quite restricted.
China gets vehicles from 2 sides of the world as well, thats history. Most nation has a lot of stuff of other nation. Just that ww2 stuff and cold war for the most part dont matter to gajin since top tier makes the money and aims to be more unique there when possible