Why should anyone get a P47 premium as germany? As fighter, the Bf109 is way better, same as FW190 and they are free. As CAS, Me410, Bf110 and some Fw190 are way better as they have either bombs or big cannons. You get no airspawn, no bomb to CAS, your climb/turn rate is disastrous.
Let’s approach through another path: Why and when a US players picks a P47? They usually picks them to CAS and have some way to defend themselves, if their intention was to fly a fighter, P51, p38, p63 are better choices.
That said, I guess that you have 2 choices to make german P47 viable, and therefore worth to invest money in them: either you give them airspawn (which I believe is a little unfair) or you give them bomb/rockets options. Give them the standard US payloads, as any other P47 has, like the soviet one. Or give them the German one, which is also acceptable.
As a dissatisfied buyer of this aircraft I would much more appreciate the AIRSPAWN in air rb.
The point is, that with this airplane the tactic should be boom and zoom, but with that horrible climb rate and not enough time to climb at the start of the air rb battle to the high altitude where it shoud fly, this plane is then at a quite disadvantage and overall is not used how it should be.
I want the airspawn more than the payload because I play ground rb to play tanks, not to play planes and not to be always bullied by them.
Even if our status about payload/airspawn might be different. I really appreciate that somebody pointed at this problem with german p47 (I think maybe also other thunderbolts should get the airspawn).
Anyway, thank you.
Personally I don’t think the P-47 should get an airspawn, for I find much success in head on tactics, if that doesn’t work I can usually win a vertical fight, my problem with the German P-47 is that it doesn’t get any ordnance, I would say give it 3x 250 kg bombs, that would work quite well.
If Gaijin would give the german p47 bombs then sales would increase by a lot. Many players bought the russian p47 for cas. Still weird that gaijin didn’t add bombs just for this reason
Here’s the issue bud, if the German premium P47 airspawned at 1km, the american ones would have to airspawn at 3km to make up for it lmao. America already suffers badly in the climb meta and you’re asking to get their own plane but better in your german tree.
Applies to @Aizuk too
This topic pops up frequently and ends usually with the conclusion that gaijin simply don’t care about German props.
German props are some of the most competitive props in the game.
Germans are described by devs as:
Source it my guy. Context is key.
The airspawn is a dead end as we had this years ago - and US P-47 players still sucked vs “Hitlerbolt” players.
because the hitlerbolt was far superior to the american p47 because it had german 109 climb meta teammates backing it up. It is stupid as shit that Germany had both the meta american aircraft AS WELL as their own, usually far more meta aircraft. It left no counters.
Then it comes to eqip the German one with bombs. Super smart players then claim that there were no US loadouts possible and the German P-47s were used as “demonstrator” planes only, arguing that bomb loadouts are historically inaccurate. Most of these guys have zero clue what they are talking about, they just aim to deny the bomb loadouts at any cost.
Then prove the plane had bombs? Simple af.
There is nothing simple here.
Prove that the single XP-50 prototype had cannons or M2 0.50 cals. You can’t. Or that there was a single Bf 109 or Ki 61 flew in combat for US in WW2 allowing them to use foreign ammo like the 2 US premiums. You can’t.
Just the usual “super smart” nonsense. Even with my captured IL2 premium example i was clear that somebody will come up with this BS.
First - i am not your guy, we are not friends.
Second, my source:
[[Event] Pages of History (June) (Feedback thread) - General Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum]
These days are long gone.
Hordes of unskilled US pilots are flooding Air RB - dragging highly competitive planes artificially low, you know the planes with way too low BRs. Just based on subpar player performance we have P-39 Ns at 2.7, P-63 A-5 at 3.3, P-51 C at 3.7, XP-50s at 4.0, F4U-4s at 4.7, F2Gs at 6.0, P-51 H at 6.3 to name the most obvious undertiered US planes…
Alone that the Re 2005 shall go to 6.0 is prove enough, that most US pilots have zero clue what they are doing.
This is true, but back in the old days the average US pilot was simply worse than the average German pilot - simply caused by high popularity of the US Air TT.
Edit: Flagging boys…clear not off topic as replied to p47 airspawn…lmao
First - i am not your guy, we are not friends.
Just so we’re clear, I’ll call you whatever I please and you will have to simply cope, my guy.
These days are long gone.
Nope. Still very much the case.
Hordes of unskilled US pilots are flooding Air RB - dragging highly competitive planes artificially low, you know the planes with way too low BRs.
Really doesn’t matter though, Germany is still by far a more meta nation for props. US planes simply do not fit well into the meta besides the P-39s which will almost certainly see an uptier back to where they came from anyway.
This is true, but back in the old days the average US pilot was simply worse than the average German pilot - simply caused by high popularity of the US Air TT.
it doesn’t matter because germany would have still won more.
If you want to head on, FW is far better option. You will get more success, less deaths. There is no point in buying a premium (which is a nerfed version of the original tree) when a free plane does the same job and better. If it was because the premium boost in SL and RP, you have the premium FW190 which is better to head on, it has better turn rate, it doubles the climb rate, and it gives you the option to launch torpedoes. So given that, why anyone would buy a premium p47?
If you want to head on, FW is far better option.
No. Also, nobody brought up head-on’ing.
There is no point in buying a premium (which is a nerfed version of the original tree)
Only nerfed by virtue of not having CAS options, which doesn’t matter because Germany already has good CAS options available anyway.
when a free plane does the same job and better.
Oh wow what a mindset. Premiums have to be better than tech tree vehicles for you to want them, bit sad innit? p2w being promoted by the community
Either way doesn’t matter because it’s a silly ass take. You buy a premium for the RP/SL gains primarily 90% of the time.
you have the premium FW190 which is better to head on
No.
it has better turn rate,
Also no.
it doubles the climb rate
Lmao, no.
and it gives you the option to launch torpedoes
Remind me when this has ever mattered even a tiny weency bit in air RB tho.
So given that, why anyone would buy a premium p47?
because it’s a P-47 in the german tree and gives better RP/SL.
America has access to zeros, bf109, fw190. They have way better premium options to combat german premium options.
By the other hand, the game has already become an arcade shooter. You have germans, british and swedish fighting americans, ruskies and jews. There is almost no match “germany vs us”, “soviet vs japan”. That said, the match should be balanced by the composition of the team, as anyone has option in their rosters to fight the other planes.
You misanderstood what i was aiming. I want german P47 to be worth of purchasing again. Right now there is no point in buying it, as it has no CAS capabilities, and it’s worse as a fighter than almost any other option
America has access to zeros, bf109, fw190. They have way better premium options to combat german premium options.
So what? What are you even trying to say? They have access to exactly 1 of each of those and it does not matter.
I want german P47 to be worth of purchasing again. Right now there is no point in buying it, as it has no CAS capabilities, and it’s worse as a fighter than almost any other option
Ok? Doesn’t need it. Not every prem needs to be megabuffed all the time. It wouldn’t have had bombs irl and in game it doesn’t need them either because Germany already has great CAS options.
Yes, the Fw190 is better in head on fights, since it has 4 20mm cannons, half of them are in the nose, and the other half very close to the center. That gives you increased accuracy compared wing mounted cannons.
If it was by RP/SL, JU288C is the way to go. I agree with the fact that no premium should be above anyother nonpremium counter parts, that they should be balanced. But the premium should give you some motivation to buy it. If any other free plane does a better job, there is no point in buying it. That’s why I want a buff.
Yes, look at the chart, without torpedo premium FW190 is better in everything but ammo amount and sturdiness. And you might know, but people buys premium planes because they are want them in combined battles, it’s not everything Air Battles. What’s the purpose of the IL2 in Air RB? You think that devs invest time and money only for Air RB?
Nonsense, ju288C does the same job and better. Same goes for the premium FW190 You are missing the point, to make the P47 worthy again
So if your interest is only in Air RB, why the *** you speak about something it won’t affect you. Loadouts in fighter aircraft are primarily used in Ground battles. To be historically accurate? The game is and will be not accurate. You have germans fighting japanese, jews fighting swedish. You have swarms of experimental tanks, ww2 tanks fighting cold war tech. The only thing that matters is to balance the matches.
Edit: by the other hand, how do you know that germans didn’t put a couple of 1000kg bombs on the captured P47 to make tests? The whole germany was bombed down by the allies, some cities with no military targets like Dresden were bombed down with incendiary devices (a war crime that no one speaks about, @Uncle J Wick@live showed us that Gaijin thinks almost all german were criminals, even those who weren’t even alive and they won’t release avatars IN A GAME… How about Dresden? How about Vietnam? USSR is responsible for over 50 millions deaths, the communist China for over 70 million, the hammer and sicle have far more blood than the swastika, yet you have it in the game, and the only criminals are germans). So, how do you know they didn’t put a couple of 1ton bombs just for testing? It would be experimental, and we have plenty of experimental planes, with experimental ammo in the game
Edit2: To those who flagged, it would be interesting to have them saying what was offensive. If me saying talking about the war crimes of Dresden and Vietnam, or me talking about 120 millions deaths from only 2 hammer and sicle countries.
Personally I find offensive the double standard that some people have. To condemn the war crimes that some countries doesn’t make you a supporter of another war crimes that other countries did. The third reich and japan’s war crimes during ww2 are horrendous, it was a good thing that they got punished by them. But so it should be of another war crimes.
Absolutly not. The MFG Tornado IDS is. Everything at top ranked matches is super super super fast. By the time you bombed one base in a Ju288, you already finished 2 matches in a Tornado. No waste of time for matchmaking as well and when you get intercepted by F-16 etc. you’re in a new match 10 seconds later. Check this out.
I love P-47’s, so whatever makes them even better, I want it.
I mean you are not really good with P-47s, same as the 3 guys liked your “snowflake” reply. So as long as you can’t use the P-47s properly i see no additional value from your input.
And I suppose you are right? :)
Yes, the Fw190 is better in head on fights, since it has 4 20mm cannons, half of them are in the nose, and the other half very close to the center. That gives you increased accuracy compared wing mounted cannons.
This is preference. Not all 190s get 4 20s either. Not to mention differences in armor or survivability.
If it was by RP/SL, JU288C is the way to go.
Only for people who want to play a ju288.
Yes, look at the chart, without torpedo premium FW190 is better in everything but ammo amount and sturdiness.
Look at what? The stat card? That’s entirely wrong?
J Wick@live showed us that Gaijin thinks almost all german were criminals, even those who weren’t even alive and they won’t release avatars IN A GAME
That’s some conspiracy shit until proven otherwise.