Hey
The German F-4Fs don’t actually have the capacity to use AIM-7 missiles. This was a particular feature of the F-4F variant as it was opted to remove the equipment needed to use them.
Regarding the AIM-9L, we don’t have any plans to introduce this missile for the aircraft. It was already performing statistically positive at 11.0 without them. The aircraft was lowered to 10.7 based on feedback and is now performing very well with it’s current loadout.
Other variants of the aircraft with different loadouts may be possible in the future.
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ah yes the f4f ice, we are waiting for it, but gonna be quite some time since the missles are way to strong currently
Eh, AMRAAM As aren’t that strong, and are high probability this year so they can justify making Gripen 12.3.
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Just an AIM-7M that doesn’t need to be guided in all the way pretty much
A little better than a 7M, but not enough to really worry about breaking the game.
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performing well in 11.0? if you mean getting totally curb stomped by tomcats and all aspects missiles from everyside while getting a equivalent of r-60’s as your AAM’s isnt quite a “positive” performance.
giving it the aim-9’ls should be necesary for the already one of the worst phantoms in-game.
F-4F is literally the best Phantom in game. Sits at 10.7, 4x 9Js, agile eagle, countermeasures.
4 9j’s that are really sensitive to flares, countermeasures are a must have to every fighter jet so it doesnt count, agile eagle is barely even good since most of the jets you face are 10 times more maneurvable than you.
10.7 doesnt save him for going into 11.0 where it really hurts to play (i spaded it when it was 11.0) and the only thing that saved you was the gun.
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This is why I have no hope for this game to ever be balanced. It’s called skill issue. If you are struggling in the F-4F(late) it’s you, not the plane.
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Except WT gets more balanced every update.
Yes, there are hard planes, such as Nesher.
However, F-4F is among the best 10.7s in the game.
I don’t know why so many people are addicted to wanting it to be 11.3 with Aim-9Ls when they can get F-4F ICE with AMRAAMs AND AIM-9Ls.
I read up on it a while ago, apparently the F-4F in german service had AMRAAMS that were better than sparrows. I’d like to see them added, since we get the uptiers so ofter it would level the playing field a bit
That’s called the F-4F ICE, which isn’t in WT yet.
Was it actually balanced especially Jet RB match…?
CL-13A Mk.5 was broken overpowered in 2014 because there are no counterparts in NATO team until implementing Hunter F.1.
F-40 Sabre and German MiG-15bis, CL-13A Mk.5 became overpowered in 2018 because Gaijin changed matchmakers NATO vs Red team to Allis vs Axis from WW2.
Mitsubishi T-2 was untouchable in 2019 because of its insane performance and has AIM-9E that was best IR missiles back then.
F-4C was broken overpowered when it comes in the game because its 20mm gunpods had almost 0kg mass and everybody brought 3x gunpods without tracers.
MiG-21SMT/MiG-21MF was untouchable because R-60 worked as all aspect for somehow and had longer ranges iirc.
F104A and EEL was insane because we had 9.7BR hardcap in ARB match and nobody can catch it.
Yeah, all previous updates. :)
My point is the balance (at least in Jet RB) is that there has been little or no improvement to date.
At first glance it appears that Gaijin has “fixed” it, but in fact they have only moved the problem to another BR and created a new problem.
Even the current “BR Black Hole” like current 10.7BR in ARB is not that new a story, when we didn’t have missiles and supersonic jets, the 8.0BRs of the day were almost always faced against 9.0BR top tier jets like the F-2 Sabre, MiG-17, OP CL-13.
When F-4C was implemented in the game, Gaijin changed some subsonic jets BR such as MiG-15s and 50cal Sabres except CL-13A Mk.5/F-40 Sabre. These changes avoided Korean-era aircraft from facing supersonic jets that were far faster except 9.0s because almost all supersonic aircraft at the time had 10.0 or 10.3 BR, but instead face jets that didn’t have swept wings like Sea Meteor and the F-84G.
When the F-104A was implemented at 9.7 BR, people complained about it, because the 8.7 to 9.7 BR jets at the time could do almost nothing unless F-104A players are super dumb. Of course, the stats were very high, so the BR of the F-104A was changed to 10.0, but instead the EEL was changed from 10.0BR to 9.7BR, even though nobody wanted it. And the balance between 8.7BR and 9.7BR is now a mess, broken up by the new vehicles implemented with each updates such as 9.3BR VTOL jets, 9.3BR A-7D, 10.0BR Su-17M2, 10.0BR A-5C, 9.7 A-10A, 9.3BR Su-25 etc and the compression from 9.3BR to 10.3BR.
These problems are worse than when the CL-13A Mk.5 was considered OP because it was just few km/h faster from American Sabres.