General motors M35A1 (M45) Gun Truck suggestion draft


M35A1 (M45) GUN TRUCK

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Please note that this is just a reference image that depicts the truck and the m45 mount, please see images for more depictions of it

BACKGROUND


The M35A1 was a 2.5-ton transport truck that was designed by General Motors in the late 1940’s. It was used during the Korean and Vietnam Wars to transport troops and supplies; however, while it was in used in Vietnam, many of them underwent “unauthorized” field modifications that bolstered the crew protection and gave the truck the ability to defend itself and other M35’s during ambushes that often occurred on convoys.


“During the Vietnam Conflict, it was the mission of the US Army Transportation Corps to ferry supplies from the coastal ports of Qui Nhon and Cam Ranh Bay to inland bases located at Bong Son, An Khe, Pleiku, Da Lat, and Buon Ma Thuot. The logistical requirements of the MACV were huge, and 200-truck convoys were not uncommon. These formations were tempting targets for Viet Cong guerrilla groups, who often sprung ambushes in remote areas. The gun truck configuration was borne out of necessity to better improve the safety and security of such logistical operations during Vietnam.”-Estrella Warbirds Museum website


A number of the flatbed variants of the truck were modified to be used as anti-aircraft vehicles, however, they were not very effective in that role due to the fast speeds of newer aircraft and were later on put to use as fire support vehicles due to their high rate of fire being able to offer suppressive fire and “mow down” vegetated areas that infantry often found themselves in. The truck was mounted with a small amount of additional armor to the sides of the driver and co-driver. Along with that, it was equipped with a m45 quad .50 gun mount, the same mount seen on the M16 in the US and Japanese tech trees. The m35 is similar to the CCKW 353 (M45) seen in the Chinese and French tech trees, as it is indeed using the same m45 gun mount as the CCKW 353, just mounted on a different mobile base.

The exact fate of 99% of the M35A1 are unknown, with only a single unit known as “Eve of Destruction” ever making it home to the US after Vietnam, However many of the former crewmembers have taken on the task of recreating their Gun Trucks due to the M35 now being considered as military surplus and thus available for civilians to purchase

WEAPONRY


the m45 mount

The M45 mount is known to be the primary weapon, it is comprised of 4 12.7mm Browning heavy machine guns mounted on a turret with 360 degrees of rotation. However, when seen on the M35A1, it is occasionally seen to be modified with two additional armor plates to the side of the mount, likely to protect the ammo that is behind it.
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In addition to this, it was also occasionally equipped with a 7.62mm M60D machine gun mounted in front of the co-driver position (most likely for use in defending the truck from the front)

STATS


BASE VEHICLE CHARACTERISTICS

Official Classification: Cargo transport truck
In-game Designation: SPAA
Operational service: 1950-1988
Operated: 1951-2000 (with the US military/National Guard)
6x6 all-wheel drive
Top speed: fwd 56 mph /rev 9 mph (A)
Cruising speed: 46mph
Engine: 140hp Continental LDS 427-2
Transmission: 5-speed fwd/ 1 reverse gear (A)
Crew: 3 (driver, gunner, commander/machine gunner)
Weight: greater than 2 1/2 tons

Armor thickness: (additional armor not included)
Front: 1-2mm
Sides: 1-2mm
Top: none


Additional armor thickness: There is no exact info due to the add-on armor being unauthorized field modifications done by the crews with whatever they could get their hands on, but it is likely less than 1inch in thickness and would offer protection against rounds up to 7.62 at the most


“These trucks were designed and built by 18- and 19-year-old cocky males protecting their convoy, not a college-educated truck designer sitting at a desk in a Detroit office who was awarded a contract! The Army brass had nothing to do with these trucks. No two trucks were exactly alike, ‘Army issue.’”
-An unknown veteran of the 359th stated this to describe the creation of the gun trucks

The additional armor seen on the M35A1 was not standardized, so the exact armor thickness would be left up to the designers.

(A) -https://www.liberatedmanuals.com/TM-9-2320-209-10-1.pdf page 52


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sorry for the poor quality images, it was Vietnam after all so the camera quality wasn’t that great.
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m353
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FEEL FREE TO VOTE

would you like to see this in game?
  • YES (with additional armor)
  • YES (without additional armor)
  • YES (with the additional armor as a modification)
  • NO
0 voters
WHAT BR WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE THIS AT?
  • 2.7
  • 3.0
  • 3.3
  • 3.7
  • 4.0
  • I said no
0 voters
What version would you want to see?
  • M45 mount +M60 LMG
  • M45’S mount only
0 voters
SOURCES

Truck, Cargo, 2½-ton, 6×6, M35 (1950)
M35 series Operators manual (see link in base vehicle characteristics)
1967 REO M35A1 Gun Truck | Estrella Warbird Museum

ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON THE M35 SERIES TRUCKS

Truck, Cargo, 2½-ton, 6×6, M35 (1950)
M35 series 2½-ton 6×6 cargo truck - Wikipedia (not a source I actually used it just has info on the m35 in general)

What’s the point? We already have the M16.

Seems kinda pointless considering the US gets tonnes 50 CALs at low tier anyway… pretty busted imo

Looks cooler than M16, wants to see. but also a bit unsure about adding it.

Seems both T77E1 and M16 killed the reason that M35A1 needs to be added if we consider gameplay side only.

:/

If this is a place to collect info, that is alright, but if it is done, then please make a suggestion in the suggestion section :)

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if you make this real @BOMBAY9997042 id llove to see it a fast flanking vehicle deuce and half trucks would make fine additions to low tier +1 i love snowrunner

it got wheels which means speed

So does the M16 : )

Also speed doesn’t matter when you can’t even sidepen most light tanks XD.

Cause it can be something fun and interesting, also the us is one of the only nations to be missing an actual truck, right now it only has halftracks

it weighs 2 1/2 tons but it can be fast on roads probably

just checked top speed of 56mph, 46mph cruising speed (on highways most likely)

dont worry im still working on it

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well it could be foldered with the m16

it actually is slightly more armored (when it comes to the gun mount) but also it just looks cool and I love Vietnam stuff, its why I up tier the m41 to use it with m60’s

Correction: It can add nothing to the game except a longer grind.

Then suggest wheeled vehicles that would actually have a use ingame.

sooooo… your saying my idea is stupid and useless, well your entitled to that opinion but that’s not the opinion of everyone else, that’s shown by the fact that 7 out of 10 (at the time) people voted yes. For me I see it as being an equivalent to the m16 that has more armor, has an extra machine gun, and is slightly faster, despite it being larger. this is a thread to help improve on the suggestion before I submit it not to trash-talk the idea, so please if you have something to say at least be constructive and offer actual reasoning behind it.

btw it would have a use in game, as an spaa, and in regards to other wheeled vehicles, people already have.

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Maybe he wants you to grind CN TT for that.

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CN has a truck with M45,
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and also has some Pattons.

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But has no Vietnam vibes with them. :/

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Lol that’s literally the same truck except the US one would most likely get it with some armor, I didn’t even know that that was in the game already

added a new poll

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Ignore him.
He is… very against everything for irrational reasons. Any real issue he has can be fixed without needing to heed his words

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I have submitted it to suggestions and will announce if it is accepted.

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