dont forget training onto that 10 to 20 shots or so a month will add up.
Biased? Speaking the facts is bias? Is correct my home is full of “made in China” product but those are only “producted in China” with foreign standard which got some ensurred on quality, for those 100% design and made by China is just like Thailand’s tank which is just a cheap toys
for you cannon geeks out there the ZPT-98A 125 mm is the cannon used. based off of the soviet D-81TM. What changes did China make to the gun? Its believed China got it from the Ukraine off of a T-72 or T-80 imported for RnD. Did they push the design too far or most likely a mix of failures.
Zeon when?
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Ukrainians and Russians did exactly that with much longer fire missions without issues in the barrels.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15nbofs/ukrainian_t64_being_used_for_indirect_fire/
If it was purely logistical issues, then we should be seeing similar failures with M60s and Oplots, but we aren’t.
According to Thai military personnel VT4s have had at least one problem a day since the fighting started, although not every problem was a barrel explosion. There have been a lot more issues with barrels besides full detonation, but these most recent ones are the most catastrophic examples. Multiple other tank models were operating in the same area under the same conditions without barrel failures. There weren’t 200 rounds fired continuously as at a bare minimum there is a 2.5 hour pause to restock the autoloader after 22 rounds.
Trusted Soviet design, but they seem to have forgotten the trusted Soviet metallurgy while manufacturing the design.
This isn’t an oopsie, hold “F” to repair, lets just slap on a new barrel and get it back in the fight situation. At least the first tank might be completely written off as a loss because the entire fighting compartment sustained damage during the explosion. At the very least any tank that does have a barrel explosion will likely sit out the rest of the war and go through an entire ultrasonic inspection process to check for any micro fatigue in them. However with how widespread this issue seems to be according to Thai personnel, there is a possibility of a combat halt or operational pause on the entire fleet to mitigate risk of future issues.
A steel tube exploding less than a meter away from a sight has the chance to damage it. Why are you coping so hard. Thai personnel even said it was a barrel detonation. Or are you trying to say that the VT4 will explode if shot in it’s GPS because that would be an even worse flaw than poor barrel metalurgy.
On what planet is this a clean cut?
Tank barrels exploding don’t create perfect banana peels every single time.
I know the repair issues is not like that. It would need to go back to a facility to be fixed. It’s not ideal some of my family designed artillery systems in the 60s it can be much much worse.
视频如此模糊，与背景融为一体，我甚至可以这么画
- The video is so blurry that it blends in with the background. I can even draw it like this
至于你所谓的泰国声称vt4每天都会出现问题，和战斗舱出现损伤，但成员却未受伤，这很奇怪，爆炸居然没有伤害到成员，请你拿出证据 - As for your claim that Thailand has problems with the vt4 every day and that the combat module is damaged, but the members are not injured, this is very strange. The explosion did not harm the members. Please provide evidence
Can we get a mod in here please
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/oEokRmczFSWX
Since there’s a high chance my bug report won’t be reviewed, I created a new one.
Can y’all cool it please?
Hey, random here.
I just saw your very peaceful discussion, and after what I see I’ ll say that the barrel did not exploded in the proper term, but more broke. It looks like the poor materials here just cutted himself just around the bore evacuation. the change between 2 parts/materials would make it a weaker point.
It does not follow the tbular shape at the breaking point, so I assume the very high pression broke it apart just there.
looks like the same thing happened here in Ukraine. The cause of the barrel cut is maybe something else such a (huge) blast, or thebarrel stuck in the ground while the tank was moving, or idk, but it shows well that the bore evacuation does well produce a weakness in the basic cylinder.
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Guys chill this discussion of tank quality has been active for a couple of years, starting insulting or creating heated arguments doesn’t add any value to the thread just relax
This meme is from 2 years ago
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Even if what I saying is lie you also can’t denied it, because the fact is there really got 2 China made tank pulled out from the battle due to barrel damage caused by manufacture issues
Unless the chinese are doing something whack with their barrels there won’t be a change in materials, rather the barrel would have a series of holes drilled into it for the bore evacuator to work, which would create a weak spot in the barrel material. It can also create an area for corrosion to build up, further weakening the barrel.
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你说的对，但德国制造和美国制造，均在乌克兰被击毁。坦克和坦克炮管本就是消耗品，为什么到中国坦克就炒作中国制造不行？
- You’re right, but both German-made and American-made products were destroyed in Ukraine. Tanks and tank gun barrels are consumables by nature.When it comes to Chinese tanks, why is it said that “Made in China” is not good?
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The main problem here those vehicle you said is destroyed by enemy fire or misoperation of the crew, and Thailand VT-4 is due to manufacture problem. Just like the Indian figther that you guys like to make fun with, according to your logic their Tejas also didn’t got any problems since the fighter and the pilot also as consumables, being shot down or crash due to technical failure is just the same thing
I don’t think it’s an issue because it is a Chinese vehicle specifically. Instead it’s an issue because it is so new.
The VT-4 is the latest and presumably most advanced tank in Thai service, but it shows less reliability than older M60s in the current conflict. That is the issue, not being Chinese.
战雷之前泄漏的泰国vt4手册明确说了，连续射击200发以上在未保养情况下会出现问题，而泰国士兵明确说了战争开始之后未进行保养，这明显是操作问题，为什么说是制造问题？
据我所知俄罗斯T72/90系列坦克，作为火炮使用每天极限射击大约为90发，连续三天炮管都会出现问题，而vt4图片大约是在第四天出现的，连续高强度射击三天出现问题是有可能的，具体原因现在谁都不知道，只能等官方调查结果，vt4最早交付泰国是2016年，距今大约已经十年了，在泰国的保养条件好不好谁也不知道，T84和M60泰国均未高强度使用，泰国前线作战的是VT4和M113
- The leaked manual of the Thai vt4 from War Thunder clearly stated that problems would occur if it was fired continuously for more than 200 rounds without maintenance. However, the Thai soldiers clearly stated that no maintenance was carried out after the war began. This is obviously an operational issue. Why is it said to be a manufacturing problem? As far as I know, the Russian T72/90 series tanks, when used as artillery, have a maximum daily firing rate of approximately 90 rounds, and the barrel will have problems for three consecutive days. The vt4 pictures appeared around the fourth day. It is possible that problems will occur after three consecutive days of high-intensity firing. The specific reasons are currently unknown to everyone. We can only wait for the official investigation results. The vt4 was first delivered to Thailand in 2016, which is approximately ten years ago. No one knows whether its maintenance conditions in Thailand are good or not，Neither the T84 nor the M60 was used at a high intensity by Thailand. The VT4 and M113 were used on the front lines of Thailand
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