I don’t know if I’m wrong, but on the UFP is a flat 150mm armor plate. It would be fun and useful to have the 2 turrets to stop APHE, but I think it would fit better in 6.7 or 7.0, because it still has only an AP that can pen only 178mm… so the main gun would be terrible. Maybe the same BR as Tortoise or T-95.
Obj.195?
Just joke, cause funny how everyone mistake using of “-” like not using it for soviet school tanks, or using for american one
infantry mode bias
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Infantry mode waifu
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I wanted to make a post of my own to put this out, but saw that you can only suggest one thing and since I have ideas for multiple vehicles to add to the Japan tech tree and expand on the Thai representation in the tree. This not only will help fill in some of the gaps in the BR, but will add some variety to the tree as well.
Vickers 6-Ton Light Tank
The Thai Vickers 6 Ton Light Tank was a cornerstone of early Thai armored warfare, serving as the Royal Thai Army’s primary armored fighting vehicle throughout the 1930s and World War II. Originally developed as a private commercial venture by British manufacture, the design was famously rejected by the British Army but became a massive export success worldwide. Thailand purchased 30 of the Type B single turret variants, which featured an innovative suspension system and integrated armament that heavily influenced global tank development.
Carden-Loyd Mk.VI Tankette
The Thai Carden-Loyd Mk.VI Tankette was a British designed, ultra light tracked vehicle purchased in large numbers by the Kingdom of Siam during its interwar military modernization campaign. Officially categorized as a machine gun carrier, this tiny armored vehicle became the cornerstone of Siam’s early mechanized forces and saw active combat during the 1940–1941 Franco Thai War.
Type 83 Light Tank (Type 95 Ha-Go)
The Type 83 Light Tank was the Royal Thai Army’s designation for the Japanese Type 95 Ha-Go. Thailand purchased 50 of these tanks in 1940, using them during the Franco-Thai War and later alongside Japanese forces in the Shan States. They remained in service well into the 1950s.
Stridsvagn L-131
Thailand never operated a tank named the Stridsvagn L-131, as the Landsverk L-131 was actually a Swedish [artillery tractor], not a combat vehicle.
Type 69-IIA
The Thai Type 69-IIA refers to the Chinese-built Main Battle Tanks purchased by the Royal Thai Army in 1987. Designated in Thailand as the Type 30, these upgraded variants of the Soviet T-55 featured a 100mm smoothbore cannon, laser rangefinders, and two-plane gun stabilization.
M41A3 Walker Bulldog
The Royal Thai Army has operated dozens of American made M41A3 Walker Bulldog light tanks. Originally supplied during the Cold War as a reconnaissance vehicle, these nimble 24 ton tanks remain in use in reserve units or as stationary fire support platforms along border regions.
M48A5 Patton
The Royal Thai Army operates approximately 105 Cold War era M48A5 Patton main battle tanks. Acquired from the United States, these tanks were upgraded with modernized fire control systems and infrared cameras. Despite their age, they have been actively deployed in border conflicts, where their upgraded 105mm guns saw successful action against opposing armor.
M24 Chaffee & M3 Half-Tracks
The Royal Thai Army operated both the American built M24 Chaffee light tank and the M3 Half Track. These armored vehicles were supplied to Thailand by the United States through the Military Assistance Program during the early years of the Cold War, serving to modernize the Thai military’s mechanized cavalry units.
VT-4 (NORINCO)
The NORINCO VT-4 is a third generation Chinese export main battle tank operated by the Royal Thai Army. Developed by China’s state-owned defense conglomerate, the VT-4 integrates technologies from China’s frontline Type 99A tank, offering an advanced mix of digitized fire control, high mobility, and modern firepower.
M60A3 Patton
The Royal Thai Army operates a fleet of over 100 M60A3 Patton Main Battle Tanks, heavily relied upon for border security and regional defense. Acquired from U.S. excess inventory, these Cold War era vehicles remain active as a cost effective, frontline combat asset in the Thai military’s arsenal.
FV101 Scorpion
The FV101 Scorpion is a British-designed Cold War era tracked reconnaissance vehicle and light tank operated by the Royal Thai Army. Highly agile and lightly armored, the Thai variants were frequently upgraded with modern fire control systems to serve as effective, lightweight fire support units in dense jungle terrain.
Type 85 APC
The Type 85 APC (YW531H) is a Chinese built, tracked armored personnel carrier. First ordered by the Royal Thai Army in 1987, Thailand has been its primary international operator. The platform is used for infantry transport and support, and occasionally features field expedient armor.
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lol infantry pack weapon solves all your problems for 2 seconds (not worth the GE!) Mini gun pack
I will say this when Gaijin added the sub tree it was the sadist tree added as others where larger in size when added. Gaijin should have just added the Type 69-IIA and VT-4 (NORINCO) even if people got upset.
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Do you know where this value comes from?
To my knowledge, the 15 cm Type 96 shared shells with the 15 cm Type 38 (and 15 cm Type 4) just fixed to different cartridges, which is pretty standard practice for Japanese guns of the same caliber. This should mean they fire the same Type 95 APHE round, just a different velocities.
I’ve seen figures of around 100-125 mm of penetration thrown around for the irl round, but it seems it would suffer a heavy penetration loss from the game’s filler penalty.
There is still the HEAT round with a fair 150 mm of pen, but it’s just not the same as a high pen APHE round. Overall, the gun is an improvement over the KV-2’s, but not to a ridiculous extent.
Compared to the likes of the T30 or other 6.7 heavies, its armor is arguably no more effective, if not worse due to its flatness and relatively thin sides. All the while, it’s still larger and more cumbersome. The secondary 47 mm guns would be great assets, but I can’t quite see them saving this vehicle at 6.7.
I think it would be more comfortable around 6.0 or 6.3 where it’s armor will feel stronger than other heavies.
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Let me guess, another 90 USD pack
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It was think to be able to use either a 105, or a 155. I think in World of Tank, the 155 is a modifiation.
The penetration I gave is from the 105, the Type 92 canon. It wasn’t largely use, but was highly effective as an artillery. The 15cm gun is the Type-96 howitzer
https://www.quartermastersection.com/japanese/artillery/699/Type9210cm
For the Type-96 15cm barrel:
And as for the pen, I letterally just went to the Enlisted forum.
PS: This link can be very useful, unclassified intelligence on JPN shells with composition and all, how to read shell colors and characters.
(from 6.5 to 405mm)
Edit: I edit a lot, doc is way more complete than I thought.
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For the 105mm:
| Shell / Projectile | Type | Approx. projectile weight | Explosive / filler | Filler amount |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Type 91 HE (Long Pointed) | High-Explosive | ~15.8 kg (35 lb) | TNT / picric-type explosive | ~1.5–2.0 kg |
| Standard HE | High-Explosive | ~15–16 kg | TNT / picric explosive | ~1.3–1.8 kg |
| AP Shell | Armor-Piercing | ~15–16 kg | Small HE bursting charge | ~0.1–0.3 kg |
| Chemical Shell | Chemical / Gas | ~15–16 kg | Mustard / choking / tear agents | ~2–3 kg chemical fill |
| Smoke Shell | Smoke | ~15–16 kg | Smoke composition / WP | Unknown |
| Incendiary Shell | Incendiary | ~15–16 kg | Thermite / incendiary mix | Unknown |
| Shrapnel Shell (reported on earlier 105 mm guns, possibly compatible) | Shrapnel | ~15 kg | Black powder bursting charge + balls | Small bursting charge |
| Long-Range HE Shell | HE optimized for range | ~15.8 kg | HE filler | Slightly reduced vs standard HE |
For the 15cm gun:
| Shell / Projectile | Type | Approx. projectile weight | Explosive / filler | Approx. filler amount |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Type 96 HE | High-Explosive | ~31–36 kg | TNT / picric-type explosive | ~5–7 kg |
| Long-Range HE | High-Explosive | ~31–33 kg | HE filler | ~4–6 kg |
| Incendiary | Incendiary | ~31–35 kg | Thermite/incendiary mix | Unknown |
| Smoke | Smoke | ~31–35 kg | Smoke composition / WP | Unknown |
| Chemical Shell | Chemical / Gas | ~31–35 kg | Mustard / choking agents | ~6–8 kg chemical fill |
| Shrapnel (possible early-war compatibility) | Shrapnel | ~30–32 kg | Black powder + steel balls | Small bursting charge |
| Concrete-Piercing / APHE (reported in some postwar intelligence lists) | APHE / bunker-piercing | ~35 kg | Small HE bursting charge | ~0.5–1 kg |
PS: We love Japan biologic and chemical war, would perfectly fit in the “wacrime” section of the Japan wikipedia page. Now I want gas shells that have the same effect as the flammetrower. It would be so cool.
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Or the opposite as the KV-2 and KV-2 zis-6.
im litteraly having a conversation with myself, I’ll touch grass.
For the 15cm, there is another APHE, just called APHE. It has barrely enough TNT tho… just 5.2 WHOLE KG OF PICRIC ACID. Imagine obliterating an enmy with this. Biggest APHE filler in game. I want it. BAD. (it is around 5.72kg of TNT equivalent)
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Yea I agree, theres so much to add to I was disappointed. I have heard about that people were offended though or something like that but I don’t know the whole story for that. But I don’t understand how adding a tank can add controversy. I hope they revisit the idea and add some more Thai vehicles.
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too much forum time
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Just a small correction Type 59 and of course Type 69 are not based on T-55 but T-54A
Thai Type 69-IIa could also have sideskirts and turret protection as optional since apparently there were some Type 69 observed to have these 2 removed:
[Absolute 1440p quality]
Equipped:
Could also save some weight and improve acceleration
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Thailand also had two different models of Type 69-II with different cannons
Thai Type 69-IIa with 100mm cannon
Thai Type 69-IIa with 105mm cannon
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Chemical Shell One day with infantry mode we will have you in game.
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My dream, imagine using 150mm shell with 6kg of chemical agent, with the (fictionnal) Type 120 O-I, with rocket launchers and a flametrower
against a poor-19y old US marine with a tompson
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When infantry is done cooking I have documents from when chemical weapons where outlawed and decommissioned as everything was documented. Also disposal of Japanese and German after WW2. (hard to find much on Italy though they had some) chemical weapons. The PDFs are on the infantry WIP section. Interestingly the Sherman tank could fire a chemical shell as the shell was compatible with the 75 mm gun. (the shell is basically the smoke shell operationally wise just different fill)