General Japanese & Thai Ground Forces Discussion HQ

[Xermaz]

@Shplendyt

Well, then either

• don’t have the launchers close together
• spawn only one launcher at a time
• launch missiles when operating the launchers, not the radar unit

yeah in training ground it probably fine, but in matchmaking? beside spawn point that rarely have cover? putting them not close together is nigh impossible. putting one launcher at a time is probably the most realistic here, and not on the radar vehicle when it’s the most important is kinda foolish.

@Shplendyt

The IR missiles still lack in range tho. While the radar missiles can easily launch against a target 8 kms way, the IR ones can’t. Tho Gaijin said they will implement some limited LOAL capabilites for some of the SAMs, it’s not yet done it seems.

i just wish you can carry 2 separate launcher with each only ARH or IR, because right now if one of your launcher have ARH and the other have IR loaded, it will be impossible to get a lock and launch

[nothing328]

The TAN-SAM-KAI is the type11 or just another type 81C?

[かがり]

Type 11 is Tan-Sam Kai II

the one we are getting is Type 81C with ARH and IR

[POC_DA_DOC_GOD-psn]

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[MAUSWAFFE]

@POC_DA_DOC_GOD-psn

To start things off the flight model, based on the documets we have access to (im being modest with this one) we know the F-2 should be at least 35% better in all categories over the F-16A block 10

Do you have these documents to share? They would be very interesting to read.

@POC_DA_DOC_GOD-psn

In terms of weaponry we are missing AAM-5’s and AAM-4B’s

AAM-4B maybe, but I feel like AAM-5 should be added alongside similar missiles like IRIS-T, so far there is no air launched equivalents in game.

[Shplendyt]

Shouldn’t the IR missile of the Type 81 be called something else? As far as I could find, the SAM-1C reffers only to the ARH variant, not the IR one.

[WreckingAres283]

Both are called SAM-1C.

[Shplendyt]

Not confusing at all.

Then again, we are talking about military that has a tank called Type 10, that has a gun called Type 10, that fires a shell called Type 10.

[PercussionCap]

“I love the Type 93” and you don’t know if he’s talking about the SAM system or the shell.

[Poi-tato]

It could be the Anti-ship missile, or flamethrower… Or torpedo, armoured car, mine, hmg…

[POC_DA_DOC_GOD-psn]

I’ll sift through the ones that are able to sent. This’ll take some time. Unfortunately I have over 1,000 pages of them to go through.

[POC_DA_DOC_GOD-psn]

I know I promised you guys a video on the type 10 and TKX guys

I unfortunately got injured
Unfortunately I had some things to sort out with my PC
I have to redownload warthunder all over again
I will be back up by tomorrow and I’m looking at either a Tuesday or Wednesday release

Key points that we are going to be going over
The armor
Model inaccuracies
Mobility inaccuracies

Honestly if the mods/devs keep doing this I’m never not going to be able to have a video
There’ll be content for each week of the month to do a video on

[yjie1028]

Next level: “I love Type 97.”

[Shplendyt]

Do we have any sources on the vertical coverage of the Type 81 radar system? We have to do something about it, since 20 degrees is absolutely dog. Obviously the radar would also be angled slightly upwards (at least 10 degrees from what I could find so far), but that would only help a little. I am fairly certain the radar has much more vertical coverage than what we get in the game (dev) right now.

[Nacho5944]

The only source at all that talks about vertical scan coverage that I’ve found is a really sketchy Russian propaganda website and suspiciously lines up with the figures Gaijin is using… And of course they don’t list any sources naturally.

[Shplendyt]

Looking at videos and pictures of the FCS vehicle, it seems that the tilt can be manually controlled, something we do not yet have in game and that would greatly help the system. Can’t give you the exact numbers, but JGSDF never tilts less than 10 degrees, the picture below seems to have the radar dish tilted even more than that.

I’d say gaijin shoud either give us ability to tilt the radar manually, or set it to a fairly confortable 15 degrees. That itself would already help quite a lot.

[Shplendyt]

https://aobamil.sakura.ne.jp/Photo/81SAM/81SAM.html

You can use a translator to translate the entire page, but what matters is the pictures of the radar itself. It is once again clearly tilted.

[Shplendyt]

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/0A8H3UD63Wjy

Scrambled some pictures and a short video showing the missing tilt of the radar. Couldn’t find any sources on the radar vertical coverage, but at least something.

[EUWA]

I think your speculation is correct: it can be operated. The specification states that the antenna driving mechanism can direct the radar to certain azimuth and elevation angles.

(ｅ) アンテナ駆動機構 アンテナ駆動機構は，レーダアンテナ，ＵＴＤＣアンテナ，電波監視アンテナ及びＩＦＦアンテナを駆動し，所定の方位角・高低角に指向させる。

In Figure 7 of the specification, the radar is shown tilted at 15°, which suggests that this 15° tilt may be the standard angle.
https://web.archive.org/web/20030916083809fw_/http://jda-clearing.jda.go.jp/kunrei/i_fd/iz1995p4001c_007.html

The radar should support both 360° search with coarse tracking, and partial-area search with precise tracking while the antenna is fixed at an arbitrary azimuth angle. Therefore, the latter mode appears to be missing. This should be reported as another issue too.

(１) 目標の捜索・探知・追随 電子走査式レーダによって，機械式回転を併用して全周捜索及び捜索と同時に目標を追随(粗追随)することができるとともに，特定方向にアンテナ部を固定して部分捜索・粗追随及び要撃を行うための追随(精追随)を同時に実施することができる。また，実弾及び演習弾を発射後，間欠的に目標を追随(間欠追随)することができる。

Type 81 (C) specification 81Ž®’Z‹——£’n‘΋ó—U“±’e(C)

[Nacho5944]

I mean I already made a report on the physical tilt that got accepted, but this is good info too.