General Japanese & JASDF General Discussion

Yes, just looking at that comparison list, the range seems to have increased. However, we need the entire document with that list on it. So please look at this. PDF_H13
It contains both the image I posted and the image from your comparison list. So the standoff range in those two images is the distance between the launching mother plane and the enemy plane at the time the missile enters self-guidance.
In subsequent documents, standoff range is also written as the distance I described. PDF_H21-1 PDF_H21-2
And none of the documents mention anything but improving the guidance section, i.e., the seeker’s capabilities, nor do they say anything about extending the range or improving the flight trajectory. The command guidance before seeker lock is not the guidance part, but the control part.

Yes i know i’ve read the full document before. It still doesn’t change the point that it lists a separate autonomous guidance range increase in the charts aside from the stand-off distance, and that stand-off distance is, as used here, much closer to total range then to seeker detection distance, the weapon does have LOAL after all, an increase in seeker range alone would not help stand-off range by a significant portion.

While I do not have it at on me at the moment, and i will try to find it, i do have papers explaining the 4B has a different guidance logic which minimizes energy bleed against maneuvering targets, which should increase it’s effective range.

Edit: Also, in the full version of PDF_H-13, it does use “attack range” instead of “stand-off range” with standoff range being specifically for the chart comparison.
“したがって、2010年代において、航空優勢を獲得するためには、現有99式空対空誘導弾に対して、攻撃範囲、母機残存性、耐妨害能力等が優れた99式空対空誘導弾(改)が必要である。”

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Ki-162(The designation has no evidence to back it being official) but the design was proposed.

J7W2 was a jet engine. Not turboprop.

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So you are saying that the standoff ranges on page 5 and 6 of PDF_H13 mean different things?

I find it funny the Blue Impulse aerobatic camo is the tech tree version

No. It clearly says on page 5 that stand-off range is the maximum range at which it can be fired while keeping the host aircraft safe, and that self guidance range is the range at which the missile’s seeker picks up targets.

As i have previously stated, stand-off range on LOAL weapons is not dependent on lock range, if they were to be the same value the their values on the chart should be the same, which they are not.

Nah that looks so bad.

I’ve read somewhere that originally it was supposed to be the one that the premium has but they made a mistake and ended up on the tech tree version, whether is true or not it sucks not having other options

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they had 1 job failed 2

It’s historical, and actually used in combat service… Not the current Aerobatic’s team one

I dont like both camos lmao. Or maybe its more of the plane issue.

Perhaps only camo that might make me play that thing XD :
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gigachad

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So I decided to test out the AAM-3 with values approximating BTT (adjusted the fin AoA and size multiplier using a bunch of math, slightly decreased the coefficient of lift, and gave a timeToGain profile to roughly match the missile turning to orientation after launch)


Note: This is with the same PID values for guidence as currently in game, with a corrected PID value for the new fin AoA it pulls even more then this by a slight but noticable bit.

With adjusted PID logic

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Sorry. Let’s stop here since we are probably on a parallel track. I’m getting tired of translating what I want to say too. Sorry, thanks.

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I guess because this was the standard camo for them

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also found the premium one

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That one looks good.

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Did it start to build before the end of the war?

I’ve found these 2 but they seem to be experimental or something, one of the them looks incomplete, but it would be a good semi-historic camo
Hamamatsu-19771030-2

627454-19771030

I think these are the F-86 30 not the 40, still cool though

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At the end of 1944, work began on the A7M3. If I remember correctly, the design work was completed in May and the construction of the first A7M3 began. But I have only a small amount of sources about it (2 books, but not Japanese)

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