General Japanese & JASDF General Discussion

Are you sure that there was this photo? As I know here isn’t any at the net but it is hard to say, I might miss it

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another view of the mg port in the Fuji T-1

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Correct

If the information in this book is accurate, at least one Kikka did have armament installed:

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Says the allies discovered an interceptor model of the Kikka in development, with two 30mm cannons.

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that 1 man who said no kikka had weapons wont like this

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Unfortunately it’s not correct that the fighter model of Kikka was being constructed at the end of the war. The description in this book is rather vague and doesn’t really specifically claim such a thing either.

The state of each Kikka under assembly by Nakajima at the end of the war is known. The only variant construction underway was the prototyping of the two-seater training model. For this, two unfinished planes #6 and #7 were sent to the Kūgishō for conversion on July 8th, 1945.


(from 橘花は翔んだ)

The rest were special attack planes or strength testers and none had gun armament provisions, this can also be seen by the many photos of the Koizumi factory taken after the end of the war.

The planning of the fighter model of the Kikka only started around May 12th, 1945, and at the end of the war various different ideas on the design of the plane were still being considered. There was no actual construction work done. Furthermore, the engine is the Ne-20 Kai, not the much larger and more powerful Ne-130 or Ne-330. The information that Kikka’s fighter model could be equipped with the latter engines seems to be a “what-if” speculation.


(from 知られざる軍用機開発 下巻)

I believe that the erroneous description that the Allies discovered several planes of advanced models of Kikka is most likely a slight misinterpretation or mistranslation of this excerpt from Robert C. Mikesh’s 1979 book on the Kikka (which is very good):

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(from Monogram Close-Up 19: Kikka)

It’s true that there were variants under development, but only two-seat trainers were actually being constructed.

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Hmm, that’s disappointing. This was the source quoted by wikipedia so I had to find this book to find out.

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Our AH-1S Kisarazu, AH-1S (Late) and AH-1E’s should Receive Hydra 70 M247 instead of the FFAR’s which we currently have


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Also another thing interesting, the Mitsubishi F-1 we currently have ingame currently uses the T-2 Cockpit

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Source: walk-around of Mitsubishi F-1

Current Cockpit for the F-1 (Notice the lack of RWR display on the right panel)

Update: Found a bug report on it and it was accepted 3 YEARS AGO

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/VDhZVL5XoeDZ

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Yeah, the F-1 cockpit being wrong is well-known. Didn’t know about the AH-1’s rockets though.

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I’m doing a bit of research myself, from what I see it uses the Hydra 70 M247 (same as the AH-1F) instead of FFARs

however I am trying to find more concrete proof

It’s really sad within 3 years of major updates which Gaijin claim is when they fix cockpits. They really neglected ALOT

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Big read about the AH-1S (Sorry for this lemao)

History:

The Bell AH-1 proved the concept of a small agile attack helicopter in the skies of vietnam supporting ground troops. The JGSDF after testing the concept of support helicopters with for example the UH-1B Hiyodori  & H-13H Hibari  ordered a pair of AH-1S Step II Cobra’s 1 for further testing. After these tests a slightly improved version was selected for licensed production in 1982, to be specific the AH-1S Step III Cobra’s already present in-game  in a couple of variants. After 1991 all newly built AH-1S’s were fitted with the C-NITE system, a nose mounted FLIR imaging device. With multiple earlier built AH-1S’s also being refitted with the system. In 2011 one of these AH-1S’s for the 19th anniversary of the 4th Anti-Tank Helicopter Squadron (IVATH) was given special markings of Second Lieutenant Aoi Kisarazu, an original character created by members of the squadron. As earlier in the year there was the 2011 Tōhoku earthquake and tsunami one of the markings that was added on the tail was “心をひとつに・・・がんばろう日本!” which in turn translates to “Our hearts together… let’s go Japan!”. The costs of creating these markings as well as applying them reportedly cost ¥150,000. (Adjusted for inflation, ¥159,190.97/1370.50 USD/1240.59 Euro) This was collected by the unit with a fundraiser as it was an unofficial celebration, in 2012 this was doubled but due to receiving so much attention this also was the last year the IVATH had the ability to create more Kisarazu sisters as the higher ups got wind of what was going on and even though it created a lot of good PR weren’t pleased. In the end 2013 was the last time the Kisarazu sisters were used but they still live on in model kits as well as in-game in the form of Leading Private Wakana Kisarazu & First Lieutenant Akane Kisarazu.


Specifications: Fuji AH-1S Step III Cobra «Aoi Kisurazu»
General characteristics:

Crew: two (Pilot, Gunner)
Length: 16.1 m (53 ft)
Rotor diameter: 13.6 m (44 ft)
Height: 4.12 m (13 ft 6 in)
Empty weight: 2,993 kg (6,600 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 4,500 kg (10,000 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Kawasaki T-53-K-703 Turboshaft, 1,800 SHP (1,300 kW)
Rotor system: 2 x primary blades, 2 x tail blades
Fuselage length: 13.6 m (44ft 7in)
Stub wingspan: 3.15 m (10ft 4in)
Performance:

Never exceed speed: 315 km/h (196 mph)
Maximum speed: 277 km/h (172 mph)
Range: 510 km (315 mi)
Service ceiling: 3,720 m (12,200 ft)
Rate of climb: 8.2 m/s (1,620 ft/min)
Standard Armament:

1x 20-mm M197 with 760 rounds
76x 70-mm Hydra 70 rockets
8x BGM-71C Improved TOW/BGM-71D TOW-2 Missiles
Other:

Engine exhaust infrared suppression
AN/APR-39A radar warning receiver
AN/ALQ-136 radar jammer
JAVN-V6 helmet mounted night vision
Added (Late production & retrofitted):

C-NITE Thermal imaging
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Standard Armament states 70mm Hydra 70 Rockets. Not mentioned FFARs

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Hello, does anyone have any information on:

  1. A training version of the Nakajima Kikka?

From what I know, one fuselage of the Nakajima Kikka aircraft was to be rebuilt into a training version

  1. A Mitsubishi Ki-46-II armed with a Type 94/98 gun in the nose?

In 1943, one or more Mitsubishi Ki-46-IIs based at Rabalau were to be armed with a Type 94 or 98 tank gun along with the Ki-45. The gun was mounted in the nose, between the pilot’s legs. The aircraft could fire 3-4 shots per minute. However, the Ki-46s were not used in combat.

Anyone know why they didn’t shove a new motor into the aam-4b?
It gets an AESA seeker, which puts it on par with r-77m/pl-15/aim-260 in terms of seekerhead tech.
However, it range is much worse than all of those, why go through the trouble of developing such an advanced seeker head if it’s just going to be kinematically out ranged by basically every other modern fox 3?
If I recall right, it literally uses the same body as the normal aam-4 (might be wrong on this), or it uses the same motor.

  1. The base AAM-4’s seeker is, not great, from what we know it’s pretty mediocre even compared to the seeker used by early amraams, it was in honestly desperate need of an upgrade.

  2. Japan was already leading the world in AESA technologies, they have more firsts in it then any other country, the technology needed to put an AESA seeker in a missile was basically already there, and it used many commercial off the shelf components. (Leading to an extremely low cost, production costs for the 4B were even lower then that of the base 4, which already came it an less then half an Aim-120)

  3. Japan didn’t really have great rocket motor production capabilities, up until very recently they’ve largely relied on foreign designed rocket motors, as they did not have any real research into their production.

  4. Japan did look into and test a thrust vectoring solid fuel ram jet for upgrading the AAM-4 at the same time, however despite successful testing, it was only a proof of concept, and there was no budget to build large scale production examples.

  5. The AAM-4B is much older then all of those other examples, over a decade older in some cases.

  6. The seeker for the AAM-4B, was, almost since it’s first conception, planned to be used in more then just the AAM-4. Japan’s AAM/ASM/SSM development is all one big tree, and the seeker from it ended up being used in both the ASM-3, as well as the Type-12SSM, and it’s many variants.

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A ramjet AAM-4B would be cool. Probably still too expensive even today though.

I mean, if it wasn’t for Britain pulling out japan would’ve had JNAAMs about now.

Yeah… Also wonder why they pulled out. Maybe they’re looking to just buy AIM-260s?

As far as i can tell, Britain went over the budget they initially allocated for it, as the last official stuff about the project was them asking japan for more money to help them cover their (the British’s) side of the project.