The sources i used listed seeker guidance range as separate to weapon-standoff range, or else i would’ve thought that yeah. I took their self-guidance distance to be the increase in seeker detection range, as it being the seeker range and stand-off range being the total range lines up much much more closely with the other known values.
In both cases in the image you sent, it uses autonomous detection range as a factor in stand-off range. Honestly I’m slightly confused on it also, as stand-off range should be the range at which the weapon can be used outside the range of enemy weapons effective range. But in that case it should be in comparison to something not as a thing by itself, as the ratio would shift depending on the range of the target’s weapons quite substantially. So, to do as i previously said, i just took it to mean their total effective usable range, as it lines up with the known values for other missiles, and makes much more sense given the context.
I’ve assumed their to be some minor translation error between the strict use of stand-off range as a missiles range past that which the enemy can return fire, to that of the missiles maximum effective range. Also even if it was the an accurate interpretation of stand-off range, the AAM-4B still has longer range then the AAM-4 anyways according to it.
Yes, just looking at that comparison list, the range seems to have increased. However, we need the entire document with that list on it. So please look at this. PDF_H13
It contains both the image I posted and the image from your comparison list. So the standoff range in those two images is the distance between the launching mother plane and the enemy plane at the time the missile enters self-guidance.
In subsequent documents, standoff range is also written as the distance I described. PDF_H21-1PDF_H21-2
And none of the documents mention anything but improving the guidance section, i.e., the seeker’s capabilities, nor do they say anything about extending the range or improving the flight trajectory. The command guidance before seeker lock is not the guidance part, but the control part.
Yes i know i’ve read the full document before. It still doesn’t change the point that it lists a separate autonomous guidance range increase in the charts aside from the stand-off distance, and that stand-off distance is, as used here, much closer to total range then to seeker detection distance, the weapon does have LOAL after all, an increase in seeker range alone would not help stand-off range by a significant portion.
While I do not have it at on me at the moment, and i will try to find it, i do have papers explaining the 4B has a different guidance logic which minimizes energy bleed against maneuvering targets, which should increase it’s effective range.
Edit: Also, in the full version of PDF_H-13, it does use “attack range” instead of “stand-off range” with standoff range being specifically for the chart comparison.
“したがって、２０１０年代において、航空優勢を獲得するためには、現有９９式空対空誘導弾に対して、攻撃範囲、母機残存性、耐妨害能力等が優れた９９式空対空誘導弾（改）が必要である。”
No. It clearly says on page 5 that stand-off range is the maximum range at which it can be fired while keeping the host aircraft safe, and that self guidance range is the range at which the missile’s seeker picks up targets.
As i have previously stated, stand-off range on LOAL weapons is not dependent on lock range, if they were to be the same value the their values on the chart should be the same, which they are not.
I’ve read somewhere that originally it was supposed to be the one that the premium has but they made a mistake and ended up on the tech tree version, whether is true or not it sucks not having other options
So I decided to test out the AAM-3 with values approximating BTT (adjusted the fin AoA and size multiplier using a bunch of math, slightly decreased the coefficient of lift, and gave a timeToGain profile to roughly match the missile turning to orientation after launch)
Note: This is with the same PID values for guidence as currently in game, with a corrected PID value for the new fin AoA it pulls even more then this by a slight but noticable bit.
With adjusted PID logic
