Or maybe most 8.3s and 8.7s are under-BR’d… either way this topic about SPAA having issues on dev server and fictional claims about bias are my primary issues here.
Forgot to address this as well. If there’s a delta-velocity issue then I either expect bug reports in general.
Oh, and Abrams armor isn’t Gaijin’s fault. People need to stop blaming game devs for not finding and using classified information.
If we are basing it off claims made by manufacturer/gov that are testing them in real world scenarios it does. I’m not saying the missiles are modeled right, but if someone finds they can hit a fighter at 40km, its going to be less than that in WT. We react faster, we pull unrealistic G, we have afterburners on 24/7 and fly at way higher speeds than normal constantly.
If it is not sustaining as long as it should, if the drag is modeled incorrectly that is fine and should be fixed.
Well, the armor needs 1 button and 1 mouse, and the new AA needs 1 button
Not really, that doesn’t really matter (in my opinion). As long as the system is modeled after credible sources the rest of the balance should in my opinion be in BR placement. Bringing up other systems as comparisons wont at all further the finding of sources and corrections of the in-game vehicle and missiles, it just creates side discussions and draws people of topic.
It’s definitely is when they can’t fix a single issue called the turret ring for years now and letting people suffer
Correct, i never said it should “perform” the same in war thunder. But comparatively (as it was in DEV) it took almost two minutes flying straight to even reach 30 km to begin with, compared to sources claim of one minute to 30 km while maneuvering. At least the speed and range should be modeled after sources but not the probability of kill as that wont really translate as you say. I haven’t claimed that either.
It does matter because people expect the new SAMs to counter the KH38MT issue which been for a year now, the only SPAA that can counter it is Pantsir and from the tests that been made in dev server it proved that the new SAMs aren’t capable against KH at all and SU34,SU30SM can stay out of range and launch with no problem at all.
Ya im guess im just using my responses to you to vent a bit about everyone elses claims in the dozen or so threads about it at this point.
Is there any sources on how long the motor should be sustaining or anyway to know about drag vs how its modeled in game? If the claims are mach 4 and its not breaking even 3 on the dev server something is probably really wrong.
The missiles inability to do that doesn’t have anything to do with the Pantsir. What peoples expectations are doesn’t matter at all in terms of implementing a thing with the wrong stats. The stats can be bug-reported and corrected completely independently of how it compares to other systems. It doesn’t matter at all when trying to find sources and bug reporting for changes.
The only time it matters is when players are disappointed and angry, which isn’t helping anyone on it’s own and doesn’t further any discussion nor improvement. It’s just a way to vent frustrations without any constructive information leading to any change.
I think i’ve seen some claims of 15 sec burn time, not at all sure though, you can search the thread i linked above. There are sources of “above” mach 3 for speed and on DEV it barely hit mach 2 but had an average of less than mach one past ~15km i think (not sure on that last number). I don’t know exactly how reliable some of the player calculated numbers are but it’s still far below any of the sources found.
The issue is the wrong stats that KH38MT got, superior speed and tons of explosives and further nerfs that NATO’s SPAAs got during the last few years, people’s expectations are surely high but if the new SAMs can’t deal with the big threat they can just nerf KH to be similar to Mavericks, slow and less explosives
I refer back to my previous answer:
Am kinda disappointed that the only sam system that was able to effectively destroy kh38 was the tan sam kai with the arh missiles
Very powerful motor and pretty good maneuverability paired with a good seeker and maddog capabilities
The only time that i would die is when the radar wouldn’t pick up the kh38
RU doesn’t get HE-VT on their ZSU-57.
M247 being superior to other SPAAGs is a fact.
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