Gaijin and modern NATO armor

The flare package was developed by the Germans for the 104G. I contacted an Italian F-104 pilot via Starfighters association. It was something I was trying to get Gaijin to do.

It flies just fine without flares. There are tons of jets without flares.

That is an opinion that is not backed up by any publicly available statistics.


Since Russia has T-80 bvm and T-90M 2020. I would be more for lowering the BR of the T-72B3.

The USA doesn’t have a single Abrams performing near as well as the T-80BVM or T-90M.

But they are not deploying them all to theater after they lost so many. I’m asking about the ones deployed. Which appear to be suffering catastrophic losses.

Playing the game entails more than just flying.
Occasionally you’re actually required to fight other players.

At that point not having flares on a plane that couldn’t turn meant that you couldn’t enter combat. I.E. it was impossible to balance without providing it with flares.

Come on… You can easily double-check this stuff before making a claim like that. We both have easy access to this data.
The M1A1 is not only performing better than both the T-90M and T-80BVM:

It’s performing MUCH better than them and almost equal with the darn Leopard 2A7V in terms of K/D and K/M:

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Even the M1 KVT is giving the T-90M a run for it’s money in terms of overall stats. And that’s pretty damning for the T-90M considering the state of the average premium KVT player.

The only reason it’s winrate isn’t as incredibly high as it’s K/D ratio and K/M ratio are is because it’s forced to fight alongside clueless Click-Bait teammates.

You seem to have an overinflated opinion on how Russian vehicles are doing right now:
The bottom of the list is pretty much dominated by Russian stuff:
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(Data from 12-2-'25)

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I understanded
Ive read parts of your interviews
But i have a few questions, how thick is the roof armor of it can you remember, how fast can the turret traverse or is WT accurate and if the AGT-1500 was fairly quiet because during Force on Force testing of the M1 it gain the nickname Whispering Death while the Diesel AVCR-1360 gain the name Old Smokey.
Im eager to wait for your answer but with that aside the current issue it seems like Gaijin will likely cripple the Abrams due to turret basket not eating some of the spall but actually create more spall and they modeled it as “full size, extra large” turret ring

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Which supports my argument for DU armor on the hull.

I mean it could have been a lower BR.

well. I guess I should have been more clear. Any Abrams 11.7 or above. You know the ones comparable to the T variant tanks we’ve been talking about. Those are the ones I am recommending for DU armor. I always never said the M1A1 should have DU. I have also said that it should probably limited to the top tier Abrams to keep them more distinct from each other.

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Never talked about it. It’s like an inch and half tops I think. It’s really only for shell splinters.

I would have to google it. We didn’t talk about raw stats like that because it wasn’t that related to performance. Actual tank on tank ranges are much much further than what you see in WT so IRL relevance is much lower.

It is super quiet. Much much quieter than any piston tank engine. In fact, when you are going at speeds above 20 mph or so the sprocket grabbing the track is louder.

The basket is these thin wire mesh sheets. It’s virtually irrelevant to spall or damage issues.

Oh nice i wonder why it create more spall and cripple the entire tank in dev server then
god damn it gaijin

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You do realize there are two 9.3 F104s and the Lightning is 9.3 as well, right? The T-2 is 9.7.

Well then only the Sep v2 then.

I also like how you’re leaving out the AIM and HC.

Regardless K/D is a stupid stat. It’s easy to pad K/D. If you don’t play to win and just hide in sniper spots you can drive K/D up. SOmething that is more likely for a player who is already losing all the time and just starts worrying about getting theirs.

3% for a win rate over thousands of games is not a meaningless difference.

I know I’m not going to convince you at this point. I’m just telling you that your argument is not coming from a place of fairness.

I don’t even play USA top tier. Why would I play fake facsimiles of what I used in real life? I play France and Italy mostly. And TTT vs. an Abrams is .2-.5 seconds quicker and I am more likely to cripple or kill an abrams from the front. The stats suggest that this is not a anecdotal experience.

I know for a fact that the Abrams reload rate is significantly longer than it would be in real life. I know for a fact Gaijin doesn’t model the armor accurately. I also know for a fact that the turret ring is not that easy to hit IRL.

I’m just asking for the most glaring issue to be addressed and that is the bilboard sized LFP that can be penned by everything from every range and will usually lead to significant damage if not an outright kill.

You are obviously somebody who thinks that it would be unfair. I think you are too heavily biased to be objective. However, I also know I don’t have Gaijin’s stats. There could be plenty of gameplay reasons they don’t change it. The issue is, and ever will be, that Gaijin argues it wouldn’t be realistic to give the Abrams DU hull armor. And that is categorically untrue. Most of what I am doing here is getting everyone else to understand what a stupid statement it is to say the Abrams getting DU hull armor is not possible. That is ignorance and hubris talking.

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The Abrams turret basket is missing the screens and the driver’s access door. They should provide additional protection for the crew catching spall, and like thin sheet metal in game, should produce zero spall.



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The bottom is actually to protect the driver from getting burned if you spring a hydraulic leak.

those screns are NOT spall liners. They are thin and week steel. Their only purpose is to keep you from getting snagged by things in the hull as the turret traverses.

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As the Chieftain would say, shields to protect your limbs from being eaten by the turret monster.

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I never said they were spall liners. In the game, thin metal sheets can catch spall, so why shouldn’t this one?

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The 120mm gun cradle/rotor is incorrect, currently in game it’s using the same as rotor as the 105mm, which makes the area weaker than it should be. Every Abrams starting with the IPM1 is also missing some gun mantlet armor.

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(9) Autoloader side hit Russian tank survives - YouTube lol…

30mm with AHEAD equivalent go ball bearing ball bearing

you ar wastin your time talking to necrons, or the rest of the eastern block heads. show them videos of abrams loaders loading in 2.8 - 4.4 seconds and they ignore it

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hey, necrons was pissed about the turret basket change as well.

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what did gaijin do this time

weight is not stopping d.u from being added

They did a thing to the M1 and Leopards

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That “Russian TAnk” didn’t have ammo left.

Like seriously. Its like second time i have see people cry for the same thing… Not matter how many time you shoot the ammo rack if it don’t have ammo.