you mean like how people shoot at a t90m from point blank range, and nothing happens?
They do this. Often. To be fair they do it like crazy with Germany too. Neither of those nations are USA however.
This is a fair point. The biggest problem with USA at high tiers is all the Premium Abrams (and Squadron and GJN vehicles that are easily accessible) paid for by new players who have no idea how to really play the game.
But, as Gaijin bases BR on actual performance, not competent performance, why would this proclude them from balancing the scales with protection improvements?
To be clear, the only specific thing I have recommended is putting the available DU armor on the LFP of the abrams. Probably only on the HC and newer variants (original M1A1 should not get to keep it at a lower BR and the M1/M1IP need to remain true to the time period.)
Finally, there HAVE been times Russia dominated. Though that certainly isn’t the case right now. I did start this thread a long time ago. However, part of it has to do with the unrealistic implementation of spall liners on many Leopard II variants. Which, GASP, is a unrealistic improvement to NATO armament. (And also happened after I started this thread or very closely before without enough time to come to full grips with the trend.)
Sure. However, since they don’t model materiel and don’t even know what the actual numbers look like DU rounds in particular cannot be considered to be accurately represented.
Logical fallacy of the Strawman. You are grossly simplifying and exaggerating my argument. Proving my point for me. Thank you.
First off, I do this to poke the hordes of people wallowing in a Dunning-Kreuger fueled feeling of superiority. It amuses me.
Second off, Gaijin does listen when the outcry is broad and significant. And the first step to that is educating as many people as possible to the reality of the situation beyond Abrams being frustrating to play.
Third off, I don’t really expect them to add DU to the hull. They should, but they won’t because it doesn’t suit their internal policies. It just annoys me when they give false documentary or historical reasons for what is, in effect, a decision divorced of those things.
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Or vice versa .That is Warthunder for you. What series of technical documents is needed to make a fair playable tank game?
PM them to me please.
I should elaborate. IF they are declassified former classified documents. Specific composition reports of the NERA or, live fire test data. IF they are not those things we circle back around to they don’t know enough to give accurate estimates.
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Wow American forumism if ever there was one 🤣
No I think I pretty much simplified it to what it is. American hatred of certain things ,Russian ,Muslim,Communism etc etc Your whole attitude reeks of similar.To hear you talk on here you really wouldn’t think that there we so many injured US servicemen about from the last 20 years.
I think NATO are so comfy having kicked Goat herders around that they have forgotten just how high the looses from two similar powers meeting would actually be and Ukraine in some way had underlined this.
You seem to think the US would just stomp into Ukraine and wrap it up within a week and I say you might well be in for a shock.Its not just you its a generally feeling on the net and on this forum.
I don’t think this game is as Pro Russian as Americans make out it is because not everybody is as patriotic as the Americans are and I think that is a concept for man Americans to grasp.I generally think Gaijin are forced to strive for balance.I have no idea why they need to look at a single real life document to make a fantasy game.
Drones are the real threat. The Russian Navy was scattered in the black sea and in their own ports by literal $500 drones, everyone has seen this. The abrams has no defense against a FPV drone, nor does the T90. There is no one standing and firing a each other for prolonged periods of time because drones will come in and destroy entire convoys of people and vehicles. Oh and we most likely will never fight a enemy with a air force, because our air force will have long achieved air dominance when our tanks are on the field, and most likely only daring pilots would risk flying.
You mean the same ones that kicked the soviets around? The Taliban know the stakes and they know how to fight and don’t fear death. Theres a difference between them, and prisoners blindly walking towards mine fields, people on crutches and the glorious dear leaders cannon fodder who don’t even know what a drone is.
KV-1s
T-34s bouncing rounds that would have blown them up in ww2
IS-6
T-54s
Object 120
Object 292 firing the strongest round in the game coming in at a 10.0 BR
2S38 coming in right along with it.
Pantsir.
Every Russian tank near top tier received 3BM42 for free And not a SINGLE ONE OF THOSE VEHICLES GOT UPTIERED in a single patch, and none of them got uptiered, Russians getting vehicles and planes that doesn’t exist but are just given weapons, engines and radars, meanwhile other paper tanks are out right removed, like how they are going to remove the Japanese jet.
Russian armor over performing and it has been for YEARS Russian ERA stopping rounds designed to beat it. Russian ammo carousel magically not exploding, even when the ammo is turned orange / red.
How can you seriously say this isn’t a russian bias game?
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Yet.
Far easier task than what Trophy does.
The material solution will be straightforward and simpler to solve than the major shift in protection ATGMs ushered in.
I agree.No NATO service personnel have the experiences of what those in Ukraine are experiencing now but then no NATO service personnel have been in a war like War Thunder either .That is my point.
To be fair, given Russia’s performance thus far, if the war was between Russia and NATO it would have been over in a month with NATO in Moscow praying they can do a Marshall plan instead of Nation building a place like Iraq or Afghanistan. Drones wouldn’t have had time to become an issue.
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Nato troops have been in Ukraine fighting for years. un-officially fighting for the " international legion " the Poles sent entire combat units into Ukraine, until zelensky pissed the polish off. The Russians have already knowns this because they’ve heard polish being spoken over radio comms. You also have Americans vets from Afghanistan / iraq, Australians brits, the French foreign legion etc. in Ukraine.
I will say this, the russians don’t quit. Thats one thing i’ve always respected about them.
They don’t have choice. That’s what it is like to live in a police state.
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I apologize and mean no offense, but this made me laugh out loud.
- F4U-1a
- XP-50
- P-39N
- F8U
- P-51C
- P-51H
- F3F-2
- F-5C
- etc.
- etc.
The history of US Air RB is absolutely dominated by massively overpowered and undertiered aircraft due to Gaijin’s reliance on the flawed player stats-based BR system.
I can hop on into my Corsair at 2.7 and casually get a 50 - 1 K/D ratio because the thing is untouchable given it’s hilariously low BR.
This is the exact same reason why Germany/Russia have had their share of undertiered Ground Forces vehicles.
I can’t speak for Gaijin, but I can look at their prior actions.
They’ve already provided the M1 family of vehicles with numerous buffs in an effort to improve their state, namely:
- M1 Abrams, IPM1, M1A1 and M1A2 lower glacis: 332mm > 375mm.
- IPM1 and M1A1 right cheek: 400mm > 464mm.
- IPM1 and M1A1 left cheek: 434mm > 539mm.
- M1A2 left cheek: 667mm > 766mm.
- M1A2 right cheek: 625mm > 685mm.
- M1 Abrams left cheek: 486mm > 450mm.
- M1 Abrams right cheek: 426mm > 403mm.
- M1A1 received M829A1
- M1A2 received M829A2
- IPM1 received M900
- Reload rate from 6 sec > 5 sec
- UFP changed to defeat any and all APFSDS in the game
- Engine noise levels reduced significantly.
- Sight magnification buffed from 3x-10x to 3x-13x
- M1A1 HC received M829A2
- M1A1 Click-Bait received M829A2
It seems like they prefer to change firepower aspects over protection aspects, which I can somewhat understand given a greater flexibility with available ammo types and the inherently vague nature of reload times determined by crew and not autoloaders.
They have actually changed/buffed the armour of the M1’s previously, but this was quite a long while ago now.
I don’t even see the need for it to be DU related.
I’ve never understood this community’s (not you specifically) obsession with DU when it comes to armour improvements. It’s as if they believe any improvements must automatically involve DU being slapped onto every single inner surface of the M1.
Clearly lots of other countries are producing effective armour solutions without that material, why can’t the US?
This is also what bothered me about Gaijin’s response on the matter, just because they deny the existance of DU hull armor does not deny the existence of armour improvements altogether, especially for the SEP v2 which is heavily shrouded in unknowns.
I agree, but I would argue that I don’t see a superior alternative at this moment.
Like I said, they should’ve stuck with GHPC’s approach and limited to '80s timeframe if accuracy was their main concern.
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Opens topic about NATO armor
America America USA America USA Abrams America, Challenger, Leclerc, Ariete ignored
My man stop spreading lies about Polish combat units… volunteers yes of which there is a lot of other countries but now as much as you say…
Now back to the topic please…
Abrams are not performing how they should the armor is lacking and russian tanks bounce rounds it should not specialy the round carousel which should explode but it does not…
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15,000 Active-Duty Troops from Poland on the front lines in Ukraine! | Greek News On Demand / ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΑ ΝΕΑ ΤΩΡΑ i dont know why you think im lying about something that anyone who has telegram or a brain to find out , already knows.
Based on what is publicly available it’s an easy ask. It would make it basically like the turret cheeks given what Gaijin knows. Still plenty of weak spots. Also. It’s quintessentially American. Nobody else does DU armor (that I know of). Any meaningful improvement would be nice.
And that’s fine. I just highlights how they can really play fast and loose with protection, but for some reason, they don’t really.
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HEY. YOU ARE RIGHT DANG IT.
This still supports any argument about composite armor you want to make.
And the Ariete not having Composite Armor where the company website says it exists is just infuriating.
Ariete needs love and that is a fact.
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Ariete, Leclerc, and Challenger need proper armor, especially Ariete with how paper-thin it is, I agree
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because we all know gaijin hate britian more than they hate the U.S lol they will ignore italy, and uptier french tanks further.
italy tech tree doesnt make much money, so is france
britain is a bit profitable but not enough for them to change it