G.91Y vs F-86H

With knowledge gained from the many combat missions its predecessors flew, the North American F-86H Sabre was the pinnacle of the Sabre series. It was heavier and larger than a fighter-bomber, but it performed better. The F-86H, which was developed in the early 1950s, could reach speeds of up to 693 mph thanks to its more potent engine, slightly larger fuselage, and more fuel capacity. Fitted with four 20mm cannons, the F-86H was designed for power and versatility, and it could carry bombs, rockets, or even a nuclear weapon. The F-86H never saw combat, but it served with Air National Guard squadrons and several active-duty wings, leaving a lasting legacy before it was phased out in the early 1970s. Its narrative follows the development of technology from the skies of the 1950s to its current position in aviation history.
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In 1966, the Fiat G.91Y was introduced as a potent replacement for the G.91 fighters. The G.91Y was a total redesign, with the most notable change being the addition of two General Electric J85 turbojet engines with afterburners, despite maintaining the fundamental design of its predecessor. Even in a dive, this modification increased thrust by 60%, but it was still unable to break the sound barrier.Constructed upon an elongated fuselage initially intended for the G.91T instructor, the G.91Y provided enhanced capabilities, such as superior acceleration and energy conservation. Up until the early 1990s, the G.91Y was the only multi-role fighter exclusively used by the Italian Air Force. It was equipped with two DEFA 30mm cannons and could carry a wide range of bombs and rockets. Its speed, power, and firepower combined with their lack of countermeasures and air-to-air missiles made them a dangerous presence in the sky.

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[Which would win in a fight 1v1]
  • G.91Y
  • F-86H
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I’m surprised so many voted in favour of G.91Y.
Sure F-86H is a bit heavier than CL-13B Mk.6, which runs circles around any G.91, but also has the strongest engine ever mounted on a Sabre.

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You should have put a third choice as well:

    1. Depends on the skills of the pilot

well given the saber engine isn’t much to begin with given the weight nothing special
the saber f86f-40 engines makes 26.3kn and the engine of the similar weighting mig19 25.5k without afterburner

Honestly, the F-86H should be added to the U.S. tree after the F-86F-2 and before the F-100D
It will essentially be a beefier and less maneuverable but a lot faster F-86F-2 that will also be able to carry AIM-9Bs, which the U.S. lacks compared to other nations’ F-86 Sabres currently at 9.0.

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That could be said about any plane in existence. A P-26 could win a dogfight with an F-15 if a chimpanzee was flying the latter.

It should be a folder vehicle given there are more than enough saber like Planes around

We are talking about F-86H here.
F-40 likely should win against G.91Y/YS anyway.
What does MiG-19 habe to do with the situation?

Just for scale showing how big Heavy and underpowered the f86 is so unless it gets afterburner it won’t be to big of an improvement
Just more of the same until getting supersonics

You got the wrong plane or information.
F-86H uses GE J-73 with ~ 42kN.
~ 40% more thrust.

Climb rate of ~ 65,5 m/s.

While F-86H was only slightly faster than the earlier variants it had a shorter take off distance, higher climb rate and higher service ceiling than the earlier variants.
Quite impressive for a fighter bomber variant.

as a US main im partal to the F-86 h but I know it would lose so G91 wins

fair point

Why would it lose?

turn time

Not how that works.