and the Chieftain mk.3 can face T-64BVs why is this the standard for comparison
You make me feel like a genius, I used that as a example as BR is a method of balancing, vehicles which are superior than others are separated by BR and something like the Chieftain Mk.3 has no right facing against the T-64BV.
You’re using a wrong as an example, that’s why I said vehicles like the T-72A should absolutely move up and last time I checked the T-64BV was indeed decently similar to said vehicle.
Compression between 9.0 to 10.0 vehicles is pretty tight and the performance gap is very vast, hence why I made a topic for discussion about the BR placement of the FV4030/3 and whether it needs to be moved up or not.
The fact that it starts with APDS makes this vehicle less unexperienced player-friendly, the gun handling is decent, nothing too good or too bad
The stock performance of a vehicle doesn’t determine the BR placement of said vehicle, look at the M60 AMBT for example, when stock it’s comparable to a 8.7 Magach and when spaded it’s a entirely different beast.
Same thing with the FV4030/3, the stock grind may be tuff but when you eventually get the essential parts you become a absolute monster at 9.7. The gun handling of the FV4030/3 is also one of the best at its BR for any MBT, it’s nothing short of phenomenal - same with the reload and turret protection.
Im not going to comment on how it performs. I do not have it yet nor have I fought against it yet. But the 9.7 rating in itself it just wierd as we dont really have anything else at 9.7 other than a single premium. So you are either dragging 9.0/9.3 vehicles up to 9.7 or using it at 10.0/10.3 anyway. So it either needs to get buffs like L23A1 and move up, or get some other nerf and move down.
M60s no matter the modification other than the M60 AMBT will always remain worse than the Challenger 1 series of vehicles, the Leopard 2K is pretty much an equal and the T-64BV needs to move up to 10.0 alongside the FV4030/3, all those points you made are either vehicles which are niche in certain areas or vehicles which are on par with the FV4030/3.
then dont complain if you dont have the research. research and sources first, then complaining
Nobody is complaining, the main topic of discussion is entirely based around the BR placement of the FV4030/3 and I only mentioned HEATFS as a future addition, not something which needs to be a immediate implementation, grow up.
M829A1 and KE-W say otherwise.
Leopard 2K is the fastest MBT in the game before Type 90.
Leopard 2K is objectively superior to FV4030/3.
Firing a similar round while being significantly faster.
Penetration only matters at a certain point, you should know this out of all people. And no matter how good something penetrates something else, the thing which carries said gun is the most impactful factor, and in this case it’s the godawful M60.
Put as much lipstick onto that ogre and it ain’t getting any prettier, the M60 is overly outmatched at this BR and especially by the FV4030/3.
Leopard 2K is the fastest MBT in the game before Type 90
This is blatantly wrong, the ZTZ99A, WZ1001, the Leclerc and the XM-1 (C) are all faster than the Leopard 2K (and there is probably even more). The Leopard 2K also has significantly worse survivability and protection than the FV4030/3 and not to mention a much worse reload and FCS.
No, the top speed for the said vehicles I’ve mentioned are indeed superior to the Leopard 2K, you yourself even said speed, not acceleration/time to target. Maybe next time make a clear distinguishment so something like this doesn’t happen again lmao.
My point still stand as all vehicles I mentioned are still faster than the Leopard 2K
How does this warrant the FV4030/3 to be 1 BR step lower than the Leopard 2K though? How does this make the Leopard 2K undoubtably superior to the FV4030/3 either way?
I knew it was going to be insane for 9.7 lmao, most people thought it was going to be pretty mid for 9.7 but oh how things have came out.
With or without buffs, it NEEDS to move up to 10.0 at the very least, 10.3 might be pushing it since it would basically be just a worse Challenger Mk.2.
“With or without buffs, it needs to move up to 10.0 at the very least”
I like how you are not okay with it getting downtiers to 8.7 but are somehow okay with it being pushed to 10.0 to where it can face tanks such as the chinese premium Al Khalid.
I personally think its in the right BR. If anything UK doesn’t have any 9.7’s backups from the tech tree, so you are either using it on your 10.0/10.3 lineup as a backup or using the UK 9.3’s lineup as backup risking a potential uptier to 10.7. How is this somehow overpowered? If anything its a gamble whether you’re in for a downtier, or an uptier.
I like how you are not okay with it getting downtiers to 8.7 but are somehow okay with it being pushed to 10.0 to where it can face tanks such as the chinese premium Al Khalid
The Chinese Al-Khalid-I needs to be moved up within itself, it has no right being 11.0 lmao. Don’t use broken vehicles as an example, and when in a full uptier expect the vehicle to obviously perform badly lol.
You’re right, the Al-Khalid could probably go up to 11.3 and be just fine alongside the Fuji, Raam Sagol, etc.
However, let me stop you right there and use the uno reverse card on your logic.
When in a full down tier expect the vehicle to obviously outperform the underdogs? If its a 9.7 and gets downtiered to 8.7 should it not outperform the 8.7 vehicles in some way? Given its a “Challenger prototype” its playstyle is obviously hull down, sniping vehicles from afar. So you would play it as you play a Chieftain, or a Challenger. If you decide to play it on open terrain then you can easily be pen and killed. How is it problematic?
As I’ve said above, it performs well in downtiers, probably won’t perform as well in a full uptier to 10.7, and definitely doesn’t need to be raised to 10.0, much less 10.3.
You do realise that the FV4030/3 has better protection than the Challenger Mk.2 which sits at 10.3? The only real impactful difference is the usage of L23A1 on the Mk.2 and thermals, other than that they’re the exact same.
Does the Mk.2 need to move down since it “can’t” perform well against 11.3 vehicles? No, stop coping, this thing is entirely broken at 9.7 and needs to be moved up to 10.0 and receive L23A1 as compensation.
