yeah, same as mogador is nt coastal at all, but I included it anyway, since some people might not have seen it yet:)
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It sounds really exciting! Overall, this vessel sounds really interesting to play with, though I fear that it could be easily kill for stuff like BR 2.3 Pr. 1124 (2x 76mm aided by capable 37 mm and some machine guns), so the big question is, where it will land on the BR ladder.
That 37 mm experimental sounds like a great pick for an event vehicle. And god knows we need French naval event vehicles, cause so far we’ve got… exactly ZERO. 🤦♂️
Given its great size and large completment I would say it will be hard to kill for Pr. 1124, similar how Drache is. The 138mm cannons at the other hand could surely one shot or two shot soviet armored boats with relative ease. It would be more vulnerable to torpedo boats as the AA armament is only 4x8mm mgs.
I would give it 3.0, maybe 3.3 Candid and Drache seem better, more versatile, but Arras is definietely better than pr191s and german barges. Well we will see it next weekend on 2nd dev probably
It’s clearly an unarmed cargo ship and belongs at 1.0. /s
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The WW1 sloop? Hmm, I see GJN putting it at 3.7 and the River class at 3.3, personally. But whatever, seems like it could be a fun troll ship to me with the 5" guns.
Why UK getting a bigger Arrow is beyond me… River class, batch 2 too much to ask for I suppose.
But its not as bad as the Pizza boys. That coastal ship in the files looks quite sad. Its ok Italy mains, Littorio is only 2 more years away :)
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The mogador will be a very welcome addition. Only need the Le Hardi, the La Galissionnere, the Algerie and the Dunkerque/Strasbourg to have a pretty solid blue water tree.
For the coastal, there are some interesting ships like the Arras, the La Combattante and the L9059. I don’t think they are gonna be really strong but at the right br they could be quite fun.
What worries me however are the 3 reserve and br 1.0 boats. They do drive very well and i like the sound of the Darne mgs but the firepower is just way too low even for that rank. The british reserve is already painful to grind with 8 .30 cal, having only 2 is just useless. It takes 2 to 3 full mags to kill the S-38 in test drive, and that’s without moving.
Anything armored like russian reserve is gonna be fully impervious to it’s guns while all the others will hit harder and farther.
Even the torpedoes are not so good. They aren’t really weaker than others at this br, but being the only meaningful armament on the boat you’d expect them to be at least better than average.
Le E50!
I wish…
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Oh… Arras has 103 crew onboard. Did not see that coming, lol. Then yea, It’s definitely higher than 2.3, loool
3.0 sounds about right, given just how weak Arras is against MTBs.
Slow turret traverse, low fire rate and a huge target with low manoeuvrability lacking any rapid-fire 20mm+ guns able to stop torpedo boats… it will die to MTBs all the flippin time, even in the Reserve BR, lmao. (And I bet Gaijin will see a sudden raise of kills with depth charges once people start playing it, lol, cause Arras looks like a perfect target for those)
Sure, the 135 mm does have a decent damage, but most of the time you won’t have both of the guns on target (that horizontal guidance angle looks awful), and a single shell won’t even kill the LS 3, if you’d manage to hit it (which isn’t easy when you got 10-12 seconds between shots. That aft-mounted 75 mm isn’t of much help, when it takes 4 seconds to reload, and a single 75 mm on its own isn’t going to stop much either).
I made a comparison table, to have a better look at what’s going on with the Arras:
| Crew | Displacement (t) | Main guns | Secondaries | AA | Extra | BR | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Arras | 103 | 864 | 2 x 138 mm/50 | 1 x 75 mm/63 | 8 x 8 mm | mines | ? |
| Drache | 145 in-real-life and 300 in-game (?!?!?!) | 1870 | 2 x 88 mm/45 | 2 x 37 mm/83 | 2 x 4 + 4 (all 20 mm) | mines | 3.3 |
| USS Candid | 95 | 650 | 1 x 76 mm/50 | 2 x 40 mm/60 | 4 x 20 mm | DCT | 3.3 |
| Groza | 114 | 490 | 2 x 102 mm/60 | 3 x 37 mm/67 | 2 x 12.7 | 3 torps | 3.0 |
Look how Candid, Drache and Groza got plenty of stopping power against boats, while Arras got… 8 x 8 mm machine guns.
Overall I ❤ love the fact that they add this vessel to the game, we have nothing like it. Huge, pitiful turning rate, coastal, armed almost solely with anti-bluewater guns… can’t wait to play it!!!
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LE CORSE (e-50) MY BELOVED
in my opinion the commandant riviere would be a better fit for toptier french coastal, perhaps as an equivalent to the lübeck
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Skimming through a stream as I can’t dev server myself, it seems VTB 11 may be the best choice for a go-to bluewater lineup PT, though really many are so close that it’s personal preference. My own requirement for my bluewater PTs is basically “fastest possible speed while retaining torpedoes (and also WWII out of preference)”.
VTB 19 and MTB 96 have notably better gun armament, but are rather slow at 74 km/h; definitely not a good trade for a bluewater lineup. (That said, 96 is the only thing with depth charges in the tree, so she might suddenly become significantly more important once subs show up.)
VTB 13 is the fastest at 94 km/h, but she trades her torps for a 20mm, thus is out of the running. (She’ll likely be quite fun at her BR though.)
VTB 8/9/11/14 all have the same max speed of 89 km/h and carry the same twin 7.7mm Darne and two torpedoes. However, while three of them also have the same torps, 11 has overall slightly better ones (3 km instead of 2 km, 66 km/h instead of 61 km/h).
This is all purely statcard info, so no idea about, say, handling/turning, reverse speed, etc.
In short, if you absolutely want to min-max go with VTB 11, but if you simply like VTB 8/9/14 better then go with them.
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from what i can tell the VLT-1 is just a faster MC-490 with two less torpedoes (hell they even look similar and their modus operandi might be as well), and yet it’s 3.7
man i honestly don’t know what landed it on a spot where uptiers are almost commonplace and where it faces more shershens and Frank Knoxes compared to its italian counterpart
yeah if you compared hard facts on the vlts to other twin bofors pt boats they should be around 3.0. and its rather objective statement given that the differences in these pt boats can be very clearly put through to gameplay. To a surprise to nooone french vehicles are overtiered but its a thing most players get used too. Jokes aside naval has a lot of very poorly placed brs and they never get changed so thats the state of the mode its not just france.
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E50 could be 3.7-4.0 while le corse would be 4.3. I dont see why there shouldnt be both of them :)
mmmyes fair point; both would be effective in their own rights after all
a little proposal for the toptier bit of the tree from yours truly, quite dated but a good basis to start from
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New leak list includes, among a few other ships, VTB 10 and VTB 12.
Another Landing Ship for Japan? Weird addition…
Manxman seems neat.
UBOATS be like x)
Arras at 3.0 looking decent. Getting that 16mm plating is pretty damn decent for survivability and guns with some good aim will bully. It says it has 100 rpg but it looks like theres 125 warheads but only 100 charges per gun i assume missing ones should be added as ready rack like other 136mm boats or added in hull.
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More Darne boats? Why not folder 'em…?