I just thought it would be a nice idea to finally spade this Schutze boat, just to always end up fighting these French ships. How can these have the same BR and spawn next to small boats? Shouldn’t they get BRs around 4.3 slapped on them or get blue water spawns? These French things just rack up 10+ kills when they’re going vs. boats. Imho they even look like blue water ships, not coastal boats.
Basic balancing seems to be an issue in WT. How can small boats with just one autocannon have the same BR as these French things? I just want to understand the reasoning of Devs when they decides like this. What are you supposed to do against an Amiens or Marne with just autocannons?
Also compare early destroyers, frigates or gunboats with blue water spawn to these? Why do they have coastal spawn and many other not?
They need decompression. and the USSR surely has a similar ship but in an even lower BR. Moving them up they are gonna be pure rubbish moving it down will be Too OP. I don’t really see the problem of it being in this BR as an USSR player. Surely other nation may suffer…
But why can’t a boat with one Bofors and coastal damage model (aka one hit and its gone) have lower BRs? Thats likely an extreme example, but why can be both a the same BR?
It applies for alot other autocannon boats as well.
At this BR, u can not only use early 3.3 DD such as mutsuki, then using AP/SAP shells can easily kill these ‘cargo’ boats, and also these dumb ships have worst mobility, use u torpedos can easily kill them. For your complain, u just missed the good times with M802, they are 3.7 and really OP in last 4 years.
By the way, that German 3,0 boats have post-war bofors, it shooting faster than L/60 bofors and have HE-VT ammo.
Very sure the amiens have very slow reload rate and quite a slow boat but surely higher survivability so it harder to hit target it would took about 2-3 hit to sink and small boat and also pretty much autocannon can slap it to death. espically if your near it. try to go in circle it will be hard for him to aim you. It pretty much other nation dosen’t receive boat as good as the USSR and the Amiens. It very easy to ammorack if you have a 30mm+ auto cannon or a big gun. Aim a little front of the 130mm gun. that is the ammo storage a few shot will kill it.
It’s just the fact that it uses the bluewater DM when all the boats have the simple model.
The Arras and the Amiens are relatively easy to cripple and difficult to maneuver which were my biggest issues when playing it. In fact, as a vessel with the L/70 Bofors, you have better equipment to disable them than most boats. The problem is that due to the bluewater DM, you can’t immediately bring them down and usually have to win via attrition. This gives them a chance to point the gun at you, and they only really need that one chance to sink you. Since so many people have the Amiens and the coastal population is so low, they often ruin my matches when I’m playing at a lower BR than them.
The best advice I can give you is to avoid them where possible and bring lots of AP so you can get through the hull. If you have to fight them, make the main gun your first target and follow up by shooting the 40mm and its ammo on the back of the Amiens.
Marne is just one of those vessels that’s stuck between better destroyers and worse boats, but can still do quite well. It definitely deserved its BR increase and is still fun to play, but it’s emblematic of the jump in capability between boats and everything above them.
Bofors has no AP shells, unfortnately. At least all German Bofors boats just have 5mm penetration with HE or HE-proxy fuse. Which makes it very hard to sink these french vessels with blue water damage model. There are heavily armed boats around 3.0 with guns, torpedos and alot autocannons. With those you can got for weakspots.
But boats like a Schütze with just a single cannon @5mm pen? Not even torpedos? These really need lower BRs. What you’re gonna do if almost all players tend to use these ships with blue water damage model? Other solution would be to up the BR of Marne, Amiens etc to 4.0 area or just make them spawn with early destroyers.
I agree with the BR change but DD spawn would make them unusable (they are slow, have fewer gun compared to DD and bad firing angle) they would get slaughtered
That’s the 40L70, which of course makes up for lack of AP with higher rof and VT shells, making it hell on earth vs anything without armour - and it really has little difficulty hammering Russian River gunboats with even more armour in the game!
Even without penetration you can keep all the guns and the bridge destroyed, setting fires and reducing crew!
But more appropriate at 3.0 is the 37mm FLAK which has AP in its default belt, as does every 40L60 bofors which has 1 AP in every belt, and also all 20mm autocannon too… all of which easily penetrate the “armour” of these boats - heck even 50 cals do to - it’s only 16mm steel on the hull, 4mm elsewhere - they have nominal 20mm pen at 500m
