If it had 92-94 pen instead, it would be fine at 7.7 more than likely
You do realize that this wouldn’t change anything at close range right?
Like seriously, only longer ranges would be nerfed (350m+)… Which they already are because the gun is wrong at long ranges… So…
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So the same BR as the XM800, but XM has better control and acceleration and stabilizer? Everyone has pointed out that the only thing the Fox has is speed.
If the BR of vehicles are dictated by their capabilities by Gaijin, then why did they raise the XM800 to 8.0 and not raise the fox? Maybe, just maybe because the XM800 has features that warrant it going to a higher br.
But if your wanting to raise the BR of the Fox because its fast then other light tanks should be raised, right?
XM800 - 8.3
Fox - 8.0
U-SH 405 - 8.3
M18 - 6.3
HSTV-L - 12.0
M22 - 2.3
Puma - 4.0
Radkampfwagen - 10.3
Vilkas - 11.0
Roolikat 105 - 10.0
BT-7 - 2.3
Ob. 906 - 8.3
Object 685 - 9.0
2S25 - 9.7
2S25M - 10.3
Freccia - 11.0
Charioteer - 6.7
Rooikat Mk1D - 9.0
MTTD - 9.3
Vickers Mk.11 - 9.0
Eland 90 - 8.0
RCV (P) - 8.0
Type 16 (P) - 9.7
Type 16 FPS - 9.7
Type 16 - 10.0
RCV - 9.3
Type 93 - 9.7
ZLT11 - 10.0
R3 T106 - 8.3
R3 T20 - 6.3
VRCC - 10.0
VBC - 9.3
RGO - 11.7
ABUL - 7.0
BTR-80 - 7.7
Vextra - 10.0
EBR - 5.7
EBR 1963 - 8.0
ZA-35 - 8.7
I don’t know about you but some of these vehicles shouldn’t even be at their current BR let alone .3 higher all because they are fast.
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“rebalancing”
aka destroying the rarden despite us still missing the majority of CVRTs
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Lmao Vrcc at 10.0, I never even see it as is.
Wouldn’t even consider the charioteer a light tank, but be careful, you posted a lot more Russian tanks than any other nation, kinda shows a bias… also this organization is awful.
Where is there relevant info to concur your thesis?
There’s nothing bias in what I posted.
I was imply raising the BR of tanks that have any ounce of speed because clearly you believe speed = op. You don’t need to take it so personally.
Also, clearly you can’t count. Since you don’t recognize Japanese, Italy and British tanks. Russian doesn’t have the most number of tanks in my list. That would be Britian / Italy. Guess I have a bias towards Russia but not Japan (Or Italy, Or Britain) Nice try at using the russophobia narrative, try again though.
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Many people have a russiaphobia, and I sped count with your terrible list, so it’s likely I miss counted. Since you didn’t order it by nation for some reason.
“I don’t read information properly and accuse people of holding beliefs they don’t hold” - UniqueScorpions, Oct 2024.
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XM800 at the same BR as M3 Bradley, now I’ve seen everything
I know you don’t support this, but it’s kinda crazy how some in this community do (just because they don’t know how to counter light tanks)
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Its crazy. The fact theres people that unironically believe the Warrior should be 8.7 or even 9.0 is insane.
People just hate it when a fast tank kills them because they are so use to tunnel visioning forward and not careing whats to their left or right.
Then they complain and get fast tanks nerfed or make Gaijin make worse maps which solely exist for brain dead hold W gameplay.
Just like how someone in this thread was unironically asking for non-historical nerfs to the Fox and non-historical buffs to the BTR.
I cant wait to watch the Scimitar get rocketed in BR even though its barely slower then Fox. Then eventually Scimitar mk2 or what ever upgrade they received where they got faster gets added and the same thing happens.
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Depends on the light tank. Many people don’t curse out M18s or even OBj 685s, because they have qualities that can be fought against decently if not well, at their own brs.
Meanwhile the fox has almost double the turret traverse of every tank at its br. (Not counting light tanks, yes I know the xm is faster etc)
But the fox is also super fast forwards and reverse, and has been the only light tank I’ve seen be able to reach the enemy spawn in less than 20 secs. I’m not talking about being able to shoot into an enemy spawn, no, literally being in it.
Add in its oddly good survival-ability, penetration, etc.
As an example, since I know someone is about to mention fire rate, the fire rate is rather fine, as unless you fight something such as an xm800, or such, you can usually deal enough damage in the first shot to disable a tank, 2nd shot to kill it. And someone will say clip reloads, which didn’t seem to do much for the 0.5 secs I had to wait. I was able to slay in it with absolute ease. But wait, the 30mm on the btr is 300rpm, it should clearly be able to destroy everything right? Well, no.
fire rate doesn’t dictate everything, but usually a faster fire rate is better yes.
80rpm vs 300rpm isn’t all that bad, considering the fox can shoot rapidly compared to a tank with say a 9 sec reload.
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So you admit the XM800 is better so why areyou still posting in this thread?
Not inclusive to the Fox. XM800 and M18 can both do this. XM800 is also tracked meaning its going inheritelly have better mobility.
Boo hoo, your shell gets absorbed by no armour, just like every other light tank can do. Noth8ng specific to the Fox.
Your almost self aware enough to know that the Rarden is the uncontested champion of being the worst autocannon. Maybe its almost like for all the bad aspects of the Rarden, it has higher shell mass meaning more damage, its almost like the Rarden was designed to kill lightly armoured vehicles, perhaps…it was designed to do that.
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Those sort of people should play the Maus, it would suit their playstyle of “call for nerfs when a light tank shoots them in the weak side”.
Can’t be killed by LTs through side armor if it’s nearly as strong as your front.
- I said the xm had a faster turret traverse. I never said the xm was better.
- Actually wheeled vehicles preform better in almost every aspect other than sand and mud in WT.
- Higher shell mass = higher velocity loss = the pen being lower at higher ranges. Thanks for confirming this.
- If the XM has faster turret traverse therefor it has BETTER turret traverse?
- It easy to spin out wheeled vehicles compared to tracked vehicles. Tracked vehicles will always have better overall mobility. Can also neutral turn.
- No necessarily. More mass = more spalling, more spalling = more damage. Thanks for not understand any thing posted in this forum over the last 1k posts pointing out how much of anomaly the Rarden is in regard to penetration lost over distance. Thanks for confirming this.
The fact that it is wheeled is only a hamper on its performance, yes it technically is faster but if you have driven the fox in almost any scenario you will realize that traversing the slightest bit of terrain will cause the vehicle to go flying off in any direction, not to mention on urban maps that any form of destructible object will almost guarantee a speed drop or like I said before the fox to be sent in random direction due to the god awful suspension, might I remind you that again this vehicle has no stabilizer, the btr does not have this issue however as the vehicle has relatively better suspension to the fox and having 8 points of contact instead of 4.
So no wheels =/= better
The scariest thing the Fox will see is the T29/T34, if they spotted me then 0.3 seconds is the longest my Fox would last lol
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No no no, this is way oversimplified and wrong. Higher bullet weight/ shell mass literally retains velocity better in most instances unless the heavier round has a horrible form factor.
“Additional bullet weight does do something important, however. It increases kinetic energy at all ranges. So long as the B.C. and MV of any two bullets are the same, the heavier one will carry more energy.” More KE=more pen
Here’s some easy reading on why heavier rounds typically maintain velocity better at range due to better BCs and momentum…
If anything the Rarden is underperforming it is shooting a heavier round faster. A heavier round with a higher MV is going to outperform any comparable 30mm it’s really that simple.
https://www.accurateshooter.com/ballistics/heavy-bullets-for-long-range/
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Not a maths guy but I am like, 99% sure its not how it works?
Also, apparently Mexico trialled the fox, Fox for the USA? Power of the Americans on our side to defend RARDEN? xD
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