Hey, I hate stat checking/shaming - it’s just pertinent to the argument
And sorry I’m a Brit main. I can tell you roughly how not to die in a Challenger 2 - try not to get shot altogether, and if you do, try and troll people into sending one right into the cheek. Everywhere else isn’t reliable enough to… well… bounce anything.
Shaming? Lmao. I don’t feel shamed in the slightest.
Also, hmm. Chally operates like any USSR tank then. Can’t bounce much, and one hit and your k/o.
Please explain, how you can troll with -5 gun depression. Chally might have an equally big lower plate to the T-72B3s turret, but they are in no way equal, I’d take the chally and sit behind a hill where I’m safe, where as you don’t really have that option often in a T-72b3.
In terms of breech hits, they are pretty similar when it comes to killing one another.
Honestly the nation that is the worst to play imo is italy
Why?
Challenger suffer immensely from overly large forehead syndrome. Easy HE or Dart through the roof.
Your not able to make it to any competitive hills with Challenger since they are unreasonable slow. Either die before you make there or the game is already decided and your spot is now useless. Coupled with the fact the Mantlet takes up 1/3 of the turret face which is at this point, intentionally modeled to be bad. Thanks Gaijin.
Depending on how you view it, Challengers can be argued to have a worse hull ammo placement then T-Series tanks. Any vertical ammo T-series tanks have a good chance of shots going in between shells. Any shot through the front will generally ammo rack a Challenger. That goes without saying any L27A1 Challenger can’t be turret ammo racked as a benefit.
Should we start comparing the two?
T72B3 vs CR2
Shell: 3BM60 (335) / L27A1 (326)
Reload: 7.1s (22 RR) / 5.0 (4 RR)
Hp/T: 18.3 / 19.0
Speed: 60 Forward - 5 Reverse / 60 Forward - 38 Reverse
Horizontal Speed: 34°s / 26°s
Vertical Speed: 32°s / 8.8°s
Depression: -3 / -10
T72B3 Has:
Better Shell
Consistence Slower Reload
Better Armour
Smaller Weakspots
Same Forward Speed
Better Gun Handling
Challenger Has:
Inconsistent Faster Reload
Better Hp/T
Better Reverse
Better Depression
Coming back around to this, sitting behind hills and playing campy is nearly the only way to play the Challengers but sitting behind hills with slow heavy tanks are not fit for top tier meta where up-armoured MBTs with better speed, shells, responsiveness etc just dominate. T72B3 fits more into the top tier meta more then Challengers ever will but there are better options, T-80 BVM / T-90M. Just as there a better Challengers then the base CR2s, CR2E / BN. Even then only 2E has the mobility to somewhat play like other meta MBTs yet inherits all of the poor traits of the base CR2s.
And Im not even going to mention the dumpster fire that the CR3 TD is.
Thread is cleaned, Please try to stay on topic and try not to cause arguements.
Well if any top MBT was the best, I’d take the Leo2a7v, the T-90M isn’t even that good as it’s just as slow as the T72B3 or chally, with a poor reverse gear and set fixed reload rate it terrible.
You have to rely on armor that is t really even “armor” anymore, as everyone hits the weak spots pretty perfectly. At least if the chally’s. Gun is hit, it can retreat.
If I had to rank overall tech trees best to worst (in performance of tanks in game) I’d say:
Meanwhile. I’d rank it:
@5:00
Seems every YouTuber agrees with the fox going to 8.0
Lmao, you put the UK at the bottom… below the Italy tech tree, color me impressed that your that biased.
At least with challys you have armor. Arietes have nothing
Italy has the Leopard 2A7 now and the ariettes have a 5 second reload with DM53 and have overall better mobility than the CR2s. Yes challys have slightly better armour, but barely. Just have to aim slightly better Vs a CR2. They also have slightly better CAS than britain with their harrier II able to take AMRAAM. Only thing they are really weaker than Britain at at the moment is SPAA, but the ADATS is hardly good either.
(Heck, don’t they even have FnF AGMs on their heli, whilst Britain is still stuck with hellfires)
So
Vs
Links 1 video then proceeds to say every. Uh huh. I didn’t know TEC was the messiah and the singular voice of the WT community.
Anyone would?
T-90M is an upgrade over T-72B3. How can you legitimately say T-90M isn’t even that good.
T-72B3 vs T-90M
Shell: 3BM60 (335)
Reload: 7.1s
Hp/T 18.3 / 22.6
Speed : 60 Forward - 5 Reverse
Horizontal Speed: 34°s
Vertical Speed: 32°s
Depression: -5 / -6
Hull Armour: 630mm+ / 1000mm+
Turret Armour: 610mm+ / 800mm+
Spall Liner: No / Yes
What you get with the T-90M vs B3
Significantly more mobile
More Depression
Significantly more armour
Spall Liner
More Relikt side armour
T-90M is far from a bad top tier tank. Is it the best top tier tank? no.
We don’t even know what the fox nerfs are going to be yet. So crying about it not moving is just sad. Will probably be a worse gun than the BTR after tomorrow
I can’t wait for its pen to be butchered making it officially the worst auto cannon in the game.
Making the Warrior the indisputable king of garbage, all in attempt to finally gut the Falcon and simmer the Fox back a little bit.
Yeah. I can easily see it being nerfed to the point where it needs to drop back down to 7.0
Waiting for the day the Warrior goes to 8.0 and Falcon goes to 7.7 area.
Yeah, that would be good.
This is TEC, the same guy who called everyone “whiners” for complaining about 30k SL repair costs on planes back when that was a thing…
So his opinion may as well be void and null.
Blud will never live that down amongst other poor takes of his. Why anyone takes anything he has to say with any consideration these days is beyond me.
I had a quick scan and saw he tried comparing, what looked like a t72 of some kind, to a challenger and said they had comparable weak spots… After that i think i can conclude this man is either insane or gas lighting us for fun as no one can be that… stupid (apparently your not allowed to say the r word or swear anymore as people will flock to flag your comment, a bit sad).
