FOX-3: Active Radar Homing Missiles

[Godvana]

I would rate the F-16C above the Mirage 4000, but in any case, it blows the F-4F out of the water flight performance wise.

[AlvisWisla]

Which is why you avoid dogfights, and instead boom & zoom if you get WVR.
Pretty much what Mig-29SMT pilots have been needing to do, but the F-4F ICE gets 2 more missiles.

[TADAMAT]

SIM battles gonna be fun 💀

[Godvana]

Russia is getting the Su-27SM though

[Godvana]

@AlvisWisla

boom & zoom

Boom and zoom doesn’t work that well when everything is faster than you xD

[AlvisWisla]

They have to do a 180 before they start chasing you.

[Master_Teaz]

@AlvisWisla

Which is why you avoid dogfights, and instead boom & zoom if you get WVR.

if that were the case the Gripen and F-16C and Barak would all be equivalents in air RB, but no the gripen is on top

[_Renzo]

This thing on the nose:

I don’t know what it is and what it does, but no F-15 in game has it.

[AlvisWisla]

The Gripen is slower than the F-16C.
Gripen is top because of its countermeasure count.

Edit:
Since people didn’t catch on…
Both F-16C and Gripen are fighter-type aircraft with AIM-9Ms.

[Godvana]

That helps, but Gripen is top because of its UFO flight model.

[Bigboi_SaiGon]

F-15C
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[Master_Teaz]

@AlvisWisla

Gripen is top because of its countermeasure count.

you never use anywhere close to its full supply, and its not like the Barak is lacking countermeasures, it has 200, making 100 pops, with the quadruple pops on the gripen you get 240(SW/HU), 252 (ZA) pops, yes it is double but all but 80(SW/HU) 92(ZA) are the less effective BOL Countermeasures

if your serious with this metric the GR.7 would be 12.3/12.7 with its 9Ms and BOLs

[AlvisWisla]

I didn’t know the Harrier GR7 was a supersonic fighter… oh wait.
According to YOUR metric, not mine, “the GR.7 would be 12.3/12.7 with its 9Ms and BOLs”.
And Godvena for some reason agrees with you that the GR7 is a supersonic fighter…

Mad…

Strawman fallacies don’t work on me dude, don’t do them.

[CorporalApollo]

@Stona_WT

if the distance allows for it, perform a 180-degree turn to attempt to escape from it. To shorten the effective launch distance, use a barrel roll or the scissors and crank maneuvers. At short distances, only the “3-9” maneuver is effective. Sharply turn the plane to 3 or 9 o’clock along course with launching countermeasures.

OR… Just fly below 100 meters in a straight line and watch the Fox 3’s explode around you in complete safety. Please fix multipathing.

[Godvana]

It’s not a strawman though. His point was that if flares is what mattered most in top tier then the GR7 would be better and at a higher BR. Beyond a certain amount however, flares just stop mattering.

[Patriotic_panda]

elaborate

[AlvisWisla]

GR7 and AV-8B are at a higher BR because of its countermeasures and AIM-9Ms though, it’s 11.7 instead of 10.7.

[Master_Teaz]

@Godvana

Beyond a certain amount however, flares just stop mattering.

indeed

@Godvana

flares is what mattered most in top tier then the GR7 would be better and at a higher BR.

and which it is currently miserable in air RB, remove 9Ms and move down, ti will be fine now Ground/air BRs are getting seperated

[TRYRONE]

HOLD ON, is that an Su-27SM in that screenshot? not only is the IRST slightly smaller and off to the side but it has the signature deep blue cammo

[_Renzo]

Yeah the devblog seems to tease the Su-27SM and F-15C.