Following the Roadmap: Possible Changes to Ground Vehicle Damage Models

[ChieftainWarrior]

Both are objectively bad.

[02ded]

no way people crying about stun as if its something like in WOT

can you people not read? its 1-2s maybe 5s max, not 10s like in wot jesus

[ErrantAlgae]

Warthunder sells itself on the realism, this would not be realistic and make the game unplayable for people with motion sickness

[LuckyTrollMaster]

What light tanks do you have issues with killing in one shot? I think the current state of the game (excluding volumetric shenanigans) is fine, you get rewarded if you shoot at the correct place, and punished if you miss

[DiamondLag]

Which is why HEAT or other more multipurpose projectiles are generally preffered for lightly armored targets

Putting aside damagemodel improvements, i dont see how adding a stun mechanic makes this engagement better.

It just makes it less fun. Which id warn against outside of maybe sim due to the experience it tries to offer.

I will point to Overwatch 1 and say that the stun meta made the gameplay rather stale and unfun for everyone involved.

[bananomet]

@Dr_Henk

Being able to disable a tank even without managing to deal a lot of damage or any would also be nice.

Crew stun will become the most hated game mechanic. Trust me, there is nothing more annoying than the inability to fight back. Besides I don’t believe Gaijin will implement it competently.

I’d rather the armor “cracked” - decrease in effective thickness when hit with shells. Say you put 50 rounds of 30mm APDS into the exact same spot of a T-55’s UFP. The armor should be weak and may let some shrapnel trough eventually. Just like IRL.

[ChieftainWarrior]

Large wheeled vehicles with lots of ‘open’ space are particularly bad for this. Class 3(P), ZLT-11, Ratel, etc. But I’ve also had this happen to me with TAMs/Marders, and other light tanks. Yes, you can always aim better, but the shells doing absolutely nothing is unrealistic and bad for gameplay, imo

[SPANISH_AVENGER]

@DiamondLag

Which is why HEAT or other more multipurpose projectiles are generally preffered for lightly armored targets

So…

-Spot enemy light tank.
-Shoot your already loaded APFSDS on him.
-No effect.
-Reload HEAT.
-Fire HEAT.

In all that time, before the process is over, you are already dead; and all because your 120mm APFSDS shell didn’t have any effect because you didn’t headshot snipe the crew with it because it’s the only way it can damage them apparently.

[ErrantAlgae]

almost as if darts are bad for light vehicles who would have thought

[AlvisWisla]

Read this:

Following the Roadmap: Possible Changes to Ground Vehicle Damage Models

The stun mechanic terrible attributes that are not realistic in any way: Screen shake is abandoned in many modern games as it causes nausea in many people, and doesn’t accurately represent being stunned IRL. A superior method is tinnitus and darkened [not black] screen for player-controlled soldiers. And sparks is jarring… The drift seems unnecessary entirely along with camera shake. A darkened [not black] screen with ringing would be all that’s necessary. This shouldn’t be necessary if …

Players should not be subject to terrible systems abandoned by modern realistic games.

[ErrantAlgae]

Shoot their engine or gun and then if that did not get them send a second

[ChieftainWarrior]

Maybe, but we all know HEAT is far from reliable

[LuckyTrollMaster]

I think players should then learn the placement of crew/ 1st stage ammo. I dont think players should be rewarded for shooting the empty back of the PUMA/Freccia/other ifvs.

[ErrantAlgae]

on non light tanks yeah, but if you hit a light tank with HEAT it does explode, and even then why should adding a bad system be a fix for a bad damage model

[MokaMoki]

Absolutely against all of these. The damage module in this game is already broken and adding a stun mechanic on top of that is a terrible, terrible idea. All that needs to happen is for crew replacement to replace more than one crew. This is fixing things that don’t need fixing. Terrible idea.

[Exocetta]

New modules, crew healing == A “First Aid Kit” that you have to grind out and unlock.
No injury you get in a tank in combat can be “healed” within the span of the game.
Crew do get stunned and concussed, but they are also high on adrenaline and fear/anger. This is just added complication without any clear benefit to game play and I voted no for all of it. Fix all the other bugs in the game before adding more please.

[AlvisWisla]

Healing mechanic is first aid kit.
It’s realistic unlike single-use first aid kits of other games.

[ChieftainWarrior]

I’m not saying people should get a kill for shooting the very end of a large empty vehicle with a dart, I’m saying that sometimes there are moments when shooting at these vehicles where a dart will pass by crucial modules but do very little/no damage at all. This is made much worse when you consider that these vehicles reach speeds of 70, 80, 90km/h and so aiming at precise crew or ammo-racks can be much harder (not saying it should be easy, but hopefully you know what I mean)

[Offenbanch]

shaking, sparks, random fire - this is the worst thing you could think of. there’s already plenty of random, that’s enough

[DrJorus]

@Stona_WT

When stunned, the camera will shake and sparks will be shown on your screen for a short period of time, about 1-2 seconds. Dealing damage to the gunner (or commander in vehicles with duplicate controls) causes a few seconds of concussion. It also causes the camera to shake, a ringing effect in your ears, and a temporary drift with a variable vector (a change in direction) is added to the gun aiming, which you’ll need to compensate for manually.

Please no shaking, flashing, blurring and sudden changes in the direction of the camera or I (and many others) will have to stand up and leave the PC monitor due to motion sickness.