Soo, after following this discussion a bit i decided to try to fix some of the issues highlighted by some and also, in general, re-organize the trees in a way that, at least to me, made some sense.
Hey guys, these are fantastic changes but I’d like to bring to your attention a few things you might have missed to make the foldering stuff more “standardized” (air only)
USSR TT → the Su-7s and Su-17s, I really think they should be foldered in their respective ranks
Ger TT → the Su-22s in the German TT could benefit too.
UK TT → I don’t really think that having both the Swifts and Hunters as individual vehicles makes much
sense, also both the Hurricane 1B and 1C and the Tempest MkII and V could get together .
USA TT → I think that the B-25s, P-63s, F-80s and F-104s could be foldered up (maybe the F-14s too)
Jap TT → the Ki84 hei into the folder with others 84s, D4Y3Ko into the folder above it
Chinese TT → Q-5 early and A may very well be together
French TT → VB-10s foldered up and Mirage 2000 maybe?
Swedish TT → Vampire and A-28B grouped and also AJ-37 and AJS-37
I really think the rest of the job you have done is quite honestly astounding and will bring a very big chunk of new players now that TTs are easier to grind.
Really hope you’ll consider my feedback, awesome job guys :)
that’s… pretty much what i did with the ones i suggested in my reply, except for the Tempest and the Suisei mostly 'cause i was undecided whether to folder them or not;
I was like yes, they are related so it can make sense to folder them, but at the same time they are more like the same airframe with a different engine which usually leads so differences in the flight envelope so it can also make sense to not folder them and in the end i opted to not folder them.
Same story for the Ki-100
Su-7s, Su-17s, Mig-27s put in the attacker line aka Su-7 before Su-25 and the rest infront Su-25T. & MiG-27K put at rank 7 + folder with MiG-27M.
F84s of each nation, put them in the attacker lines of respective nations, & also folder them with F84Fs.
J34 put in the Swedish fighter line & fold it with J32B.
Me-262 Jabo folder with Narval 262 50mm.
Sea Hawk switch places with Sea Venom.
Meteor Mk3, Mk4, Mk8 folded together into 5 plane folder.
Sk-60 & 105 folder them.
T-18B & T-18B(57) folder them.
A28B & A29B folder them.
Etendard 4M, Jaguar A, Mirage 5F, Mirage F1CT, Mirage 2000D-R1, put them in the attacker line aka infront of F84F. & folder Mirage 5F + Mirage F1CT.
J2 & J4 folder them.
F86-F40 in Japan & China tree moved to rank 6. Chinese ver folded with F-100A
T-1 & F-1 foldered together.
MiG-15s & 17 foldered together.
IL-2 1941, 42, 43 foldered together.
IL-2M & IL-2 37 foldered together.
MiG-17AS put at rank 6.
MiG-23BN put in attacker line aka behind Su-22s.
CL-13B Mk6 put at rank 6 and foldered with F86K.
MiG-21MF & Bis SAU foldered together.
Lim-5P put at rank 6 behind MiG-19S.
Do-217 Ns put at rank 1 & foldered with Do-217 Js.
Do-217 Es foldered with Do-217 Ks.
G-91 R/4s put at rank 6
G-91 pre-series, G91 R/1, G91Y & YS put back in the Italian fighter line back where they belong.
P-47D-30 Italian put in American fighter line aka infront of Bf-109 G14/AS.
G55 sottoserie 0 folded with G55 serie 1 into a 3 plane folder.
F-86 A5 and F25 foldered with F-2
F-105D put in the attacker line aka infront AV-8C
F-5A & C put at rank 7.
A-10A put at rank 7.
F9F-8 put at rank 6.
F2H-2 foldered with F9F-3 & 5.
Do-335 A-0 put in the right side attacker line & folder with Do-335 A-1.
Fw-190 F8 put infront Me-410 Bs.
Hunter FGA.9 put at rank 6.
Hunter F1 put at rank 5.
Buccaneer S2 put in attacker line and folded with Harrier GR.3.
Some additional points,
Any plane with air-air missiles, afterburners, should be an automatic rank 6.
Attackers be placed in attack line and not with bomber. Furthermore redesignate MiG-27s, Mirage 5F, Mirage F1CT to “Strike Aircraft”.
Every BR should have a maximum BR cap to help allocate vehicles rank (note some exceptions can be applied since air-air missiles, afterburners is the bottom line HARD rule) but the general rule of thumb should go like this:
Rank 1 max BR should be upto 1.0 - 2.0
Rank 2 upto 2.3 - 3.3
Rank 3 upto 3.7 - 5.7
Rank 4 upto 6.0 - 7.3
Rank 5 upto 7.7 - 9.0
Rank 6 upto 9.3 - 10.3
Rank 7 upto 10.7 - 11.3
Rank 8 upto 11.3 - and above…
might be worth chiming in there as well, as right now people seem to be fixated on just one or two things when the very ordering they have gone for is a bit of a mess. the german tank line and the american naval fighters are easily the most agregious though
its nonironically worse then the tree already present, all they literally had to do was folder the buffalos and the early corsairs instead of the frankenfolders they went with. Now the average new player will completely miss the f6f arguably one of if not the best us fighter in that bracket
I actually like this idea.
Probably, J29F can move to Rank 5 and folder to the J29A because J29D that has afterburner is still Rank 5.
Also, the locations of J34 and J32B should be swapped because historically, J34 was delivered to the Swedish Air Force at a time older than the J32B iirc.
USA:
•Mostly good except f105 should stay after b57
•maybe cannonstang inside p51 folder
Germany:
•mig23bn should stay after il28
•mig23mla to rank 7
•cl13s should stay rank 6
•g91 stays after ho229
USSR:
•i16 type 27 should be after mig3 folder
•switch yak3 and yak9u folders place
•move yak38m back to rank 6
•folder mig23mld with mig23m at rank7 just as gaijin proposed
•unfolder su 25s and move su25 back to rank 6
•folder mig27s and move them back to bomber line
However, CL-13A Mk.5 was implemented in the game when we still had the 1953 cutoff and served quite well as a counterpart of F-2 Sabre and MiG-15bis, later implemented MiG-17. Since his suggestion has the F-2 Sabre, MiG-15bis, and MiG-17 sitting at rank 5, the CL-13A Mk.5 should also sit at the same rank.
I see your point of view, it’s just your expectations are so unrealistic as so what you’re expecting.
It the equivalent of going to like chuck e cheese and playing the arcade games and winning tickets and then turning in those tickets for a prize and then coming back months later when they reduce the tickets cost of one of the prizes you bought and asking for your tickets back.
Can you not see how delusional that is? You don’t get to buy something at a store, use it for months or years and then try to get a refund when the price get reduced.
I get it takes a long time to play for free, but that’s your choice. Premium for a year is $40 when you buy it on sale. A crafting event vehicle starts at $45 on the market and they usually increase in price shortly after.
Love reducing the grind on the grind, but many folders are very weird and also unintuitive to remember for new players. Generally players don’t like different airframes/chassis foldered together (and also contradicts the excuse of wanting players to try a diversity of vehicle types back when Gaijin tried to unfolder vehicles). My suggestions:
Folder the B-25s. There’s no difference other than a single extra gun.
Unfolder the F7F. Too unique (and strong) to be foldered.
Compensating for the previous unfolder, folder F4U-4, 4B, and 1C together. Similar enough to folder.
Folder the F6Fs together again. Players should have a choice if they want to upgrade to a punchier plane at the cost of weight and BR.
I understand why the giant SB 2M folder was split, but make the SB 2M folder split more even. Ie, 4 in the first folder, the last 2 foldered under the Ar-2.
Unfolder DB-3 and IL-4. Different airframes.
Compensating for the previous unfolder, folder Hurricane Mk IV and Tempest Mk V (Vickers). These two are specialized for mixed battles, so don’t force Air RB players to grind both of them.
Folder Spitfire Mk IX with the Mk Vs, leave the clipped wing Mk XVI alone. XVI has a unique playstyle for a Spitfire.
Folder Ki-44s together. And folder Ki 61 otsu and ko. Mixing them is insanity.
Although I hate the increasing the grind, unfolder N1K1. Great plane, shouldn’t be skipped.
Move the T-18B folder to the attacker line, to fill the gap.
Folder KV-1 L-11 and ZiS-5.KV-85 ends up by itself. Very similar, and players will play the KV-1S already to try the ZiS-5 gun. KV-85 is unique (and powerful) and should not be skipped.
Move KV-2 to tank destroyer line. Not really a heavy tank in its play style.
Folder the T-34-85s. Too similar.
Compensating for the previous folder, unfolder T-34E STZ.
Folder the BT-7s. 25% extra horsepower isn’t enough of a difference to be apart.
Unfolder the Su-57B. Too unique.
Folder the Rooikats together and the Olifants together. Duh.
Folder the French F6Fs together. Same reason as the suggested US F6F folder.
For Sweden, folder the Comet on top of the T-34-85 instead. The Comet is already in the bottom of a folder in the British tree after all.
Folder Strv 101 and 104 together, and folder Strv 103s together. Strv 103s are the poster child of the Swedish tree, why make it skippable?
Folder the Marder IIIs together. Similar enough to warrant it.
Unfolder and move Sd.Kfz.221 (s.Pz.B.41) to light tank line. Armoured car with light gun does not belong with the tank destroyers.
Folder StuG III A and F.
Folder Dicker Max and Sturer Emil, leave the 8,8cm Flak alone. - I don’t see the Jagdpanzer 38(t)?
Unfolder Ferdinand and Jagdtiger. Both are too unique.
Compensating for the previous unfolder, folder the Tiger IIs. Slightly better turret armor isn’t different enough. - Unfolder Nashorn and Waffentrager. Unique chassis. - Compensating for the previous unfolder, folder the Tigers. Slightly better turret armor and a slightly less bumpy turret traverse isn’t different enough.
