It was removed because Gaijin deemed it not realistic enough. Same for the Panther II and Tiger 10.5, although compared to those two the 341 certainly is far more real, since we have photographic evidence of a life-sized wooden mockup.
Which is more then can be said for its replacement, the Ostwind II, which has repeatedly been proven to be about as fake as the Panther II. But hey, what is a game priding itself on its “historical realism” without some double standards?
Tbh Flakpanzer 341 is more real so it should back. In my eyes, Flakpanzer 341’s Gërat 341 are real and vegicle specific, meaning it can be in game by Gaijin’s definition, the panther 2’s entire hull is vehicle specific, could see it with the Shwaleturm turret instead so yes. Tiger ll 105 is completely fake so no
Sadly they’re not. While they were real, they were intended for use by the navy as well. The chassis obviously is also not unique.
To be clear all three vehicles should return imho. This update the falcon received a radar because “one might have been installed” which, come on. But the issues with the vehicles do exist… Especially the other two.
The original Panther 2 was never meant to mount the long 88, or a new turret, or a better engine, or a rangefinder. It’s a Frankenstein vehicle combining different proposals that were never part of one package. For ex. The Panther II hull had been discarded long before discussion started about mounting a long 88. I have nothing against project tanks (like we have project ships) but the Panther II in this configuration is basically just Gaijin’s invention.
Similar situation for the Tiger II 105. The rangefinder, better engine and 105 were evaluated separately. The 105 was discarded almost right away because of low RoF. Gaijin just crammed it into the existing Tiger II turret, creating a layout that is physically impossible.
To be clear. A 105 “could” be mounted on the Tiger II just like a radar “could” be mounted on the Falcon. So what the hell, bring them back. But they would imho have to give the 105 and Panther II a new turret at least, to make them less absurd.
Aw damn really? I thought the Coelian’s guns were vehicle specific… it was built wasn’t it? Like with a wooden turret? The Panther ll might be an amalgremation, but it’s 100mm UFP and 14km/h reverse speed transmission are still unique and real? Also, I already said I disagreed with the long 88 on it, it would’ve used a panther F turret lmao. Every single one of these vehicles could come back in future updates with drastic overhauls. sadly it’ll probably never happen because veterans would complain about them not only nerfing those rare vehicles but also un-rare-ing them
Unfortunately that’s not the case. From its very inception, the requirements for the gun’s development included “Verwendung als Heer- und Marineflak” or “Employment as army and navy AA gun”.
A wooden mockup was made. I’m not sure if the whole thing was wood, or if they just stuck a wooden turret on a Panther D chassis, but even in the latter case, we’re still lacking the unique component we would need to submit it as a suggestion.
I must point out however that all this finagling about the rules is in a sense misleading. Gaijin is a company and they can do what they want. They can break their own rules and make up new ones and that’s logical, because it’s in their interest to be flexible. If they wanted these vehicles to come back, they would just bring them back.
The 100mm UFP, yes, but to my knowledge the Panther II chassis used the same transmission and automotive components as the regular Panther. It was simply up-armoured.
That would also be ahistorical. By the time the project was cancelled, the Schmalturm didn’t exist yet.
Basically you have the same problem with the (real) Panther II as you would have if you tried to introduce the (not built, pure paper) E-50 and E-75: you have chassis information (though much less so for the E-series) but no turret information.
Honestly I would just bring them back as they are but with updated visual and damage models that give them more sensible turrets. And for the record I think it will happen eventually. Unlike say the IS-7 or the E-100, these vehicles currently bring no benefit to Gaijin, they’re not pricey out of scarcity, they’re not a lootbox goal like the Object 279, they’re just gone. That’s free content on the table. Eventually, maybe in five or ten years, they’ll do something like sell an Ancestor’s Pack on the store with premium versions of these three vehicles while letting the veterans keep the OGs in the tech tree. That’s what I suspect anyway.
you do not have them you literally stated so LMAO. and it literally does work as you’d have to spend far less amount to buy a profile with removed vehicles (against rules though) and the panther f s 6.0, ofc a full br above has a superior vehicle, honestly you don’t make any good points.
says the kid who wants to feel special cuz he has something i don’t.
enjoy ur unfair AAA with unhistorical APHE belts, atp just give it APFSDS with 200mm of pen, who can prove it didn’t have APFSDS in WW2?
Someone is having a tantrum
Gaijin removes a vehicle from the game, but the ones who already unlocked it can keep it? And Gaijin also buff a removed vehicle?
As i said, give Flakpanzer 341 APFSDS belts, u can’t prove it didn’t have, cuz not even the tank exists.
What kind of brainrot idea is that? Guns =/= Vehicle. The Gun and ammo was build and is Historical.
“Someone is having a Tantrum.” is fitting.
Oh no, someone has something that others don’t and because gaijin wanted to add ammo to the gun that said vehicle has it also got it!
Don’t make me tap the sign.
I wouldn’t be complaining if they didn’t give it unhistorical APHE belts which can go through anything if u spam.
But looks like the crybabies who got it want to keep it to feel special.
Gun yes, ammo no, tell me and show me a single Ostwind using APHE belts, and if there’s a single Ostwind with APHE belts, why wouldn’t the TT one get them and JUST the removed vehicle almost nobody has?
I coudn’t care less about what happens to it.
I’m just amused about You throwing such a fight over it.
One thing is removing something cuz it’s unhistorical and that’s it, and OTHER thing is buff it by no reason with unhistorical belts that have twice the penetration of the normal belts and why not explosive filler.
KT 10.5cm didn’t get nerfed by the Tiger’s mobility nerf even when it’s a KT.
Panther II…looks fair. Didn’t get any buff so nothing to say here.
Says the one who owns it.
If u didn’t have it u would be complaining too about how a tank that doesn’t exist got better firepower by no reason tho it uses the exact same cannons as a TT AAA.
If Gaijin didn’t have buff the removed tanks, i wouldn’t be complaining, but they did, that’s not fair at all, what do removed tanks have that they can get this special treatment compared to normal tanks?
Tell me why would I do it?
I faced it with different nations and had no issue.
Straight up lying to look like u’re right.
This thing has no sense, even less sense with it’s unfair and unhistorical buff.