Fixing the TES with all available research

[DevilO6]

I guess L27A1 got a little buff

Over 800mm of pen at 55, that is some secret dokumints

If you wonder, these are armor holes. And yes, they carry to all CR2.

[Legwolf]

[Legwolf]

Shoutout to the fact that even if this pen was consistant across the board, CR2 would still be insanely mid lmao

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@Legwolf

The handling of the missile since the changes have made ADATs borderline useless. Stormer HVM is far better imo

Not to mention they label it as a TD for spawn points, to really troll us. It has never been used in the anti-tank capacity in real life for the British army, but there you go.

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@Gunjob

ts somewhere around 400-600m until separation before can start pulling and because it’s so fast this can mean only 1.5-2.0 seconds for you to adjust and lead the target. Granted then you could argue the FCS should be doing that for you. This means abeam shots particularly difficult, if the missile was slower you’d have a much easier time in close abeam shots.

This is where minimum engagement distances have alot of nuance and a flat 400m minimum will not apply to something moving abeam (angles greater than +30 degrees off head on) or hard manoeuvring (6-9G)

It’s still utterly ridiculous as the moment. When you see footage of people using it the tracker is glued to the target. They don’t have to lead the missile an absurd amount to make the dartlets catch up and get on target.

I know it’s not your fault, but I’m pretty confident this stuff will never get addressed. Saying you see hundreds of fixed bugs doesn’t account for much if there is an order of magnitude more that are unactioned.

[Legwolf]

This I can excuse. ADATS literally stands for Air Defence Anti Tank System
It wasn’t british, but Canadian.

Sucks but that’s british tax

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@Legwolf

This I can excuse. ADATS literally stands for Air Defence Anti Tank System

But it’s based purely off the name? I highly doubt it’s intended to ever be deployed as an anti-tank system by Canada either, it just has that name because it’s capable of defending itself.

[Legwolf]

No, like…The ADATS project was a multi-role missile platform capable of performing both Anti-Tank and Anti-Air missions in one vehicle. The MIM-146 is a proximity triggered Anti-Tank missile, essentially.
The ADATS (M113) we see in the British Tree is a Canadian Army operated platform. They served right up until 2011 when they were withdrawn from service.

It’s fair to call ADATS a tank destroyer as it…well, is a tank destroyer. It would also be fair to call it an SPAA as it’s an Air Defence vehicle.

I personally think ADATS fits more as an Anti-Tank vehicle than an air defence vehicle. Much like the Khrizantema of Russia. It can perform Anti-Aircraft duties pretty well, but Anti-Tank is where it’s better especially after the recent flight model changes to missiles.

Britian realistically should have Thales LMM missiles on Stormer HVM, Tracked Rapier, Sky Ceptor, Warrior VERDI, Stormer AD, or some other air defence vehicle to fill the top-tier area. ADATS isn’t it.

[jd_hog77]

It had that label before it was even added to the British tree.

[jd_hog77]

It’s labeled in game is based on how it is used in game. Basically people we’re using the AT function than the AA function.

[Morvran]

In that case, it needs to be moved to the other line and placed after the Striker and an actual 11+ SPAA system needs to be added.

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@jd_hog77

Basically people we’re using the AT function than the AA function.

You can say the same for many other SPAA in the game though. I don’t think I’ve ever used the Falcon explicitly for anti-air duties.

@Morvran

In that case, it needs to be moved to the other line and placed after the Striker and an actual 11+ SPAA system needs to be added.

This. It doesn’t help that the Stormer HVM/starstreak is so badly gimped. It’s outranged by most CAS at top tier.

[DevilO6]

@jd_hog77

Basically people we’re using the AT function than the AA function.

If spaa has ability to be used as TD, most people will use it as a TD, as tank kills give more than planes kills. That is the reason Pantsir got added. People were using tunguska more as an ifv rather than spaa, so stats were gimped and gaijin used it to justificate pantsir additon. And then they nerfed 2s6

[DevilO6]

You would be a sniper with no alternative playstyle at all. So what the CR2 is now, but you would at least be good at it (looks at current 27, the slowest and the worst penning top tier round).

[Legwolf]

Is there any justification as to why L27 is so bad? Is it like that IRL or is it gimped?
Maybe @Fireball_2020 would know

[Fireball_2020]

Pretty much yeah, it’s length limited, although I do suspect it’s mass and velocity are too low in game.

[Morvran]

Not too mention the fact they’ve been heavily redesigning GRB to delete any and all forms of long range combat, which heavily favours the Soviet-type tanks and heavily gimps many NATO type tanks

[Legwolf]

Battle of Kursk is just a free win for Soviet Khrizantema players tbh lmao
Its insane.

[Crazed_Otter]

Hasn’t Gaijin just gone over to their standardised DeMarre equation for everything to do with dart rounds?

If so - there’s your answer. We’ve been buggered by the dodgy spreadsheet formula (again).

Given that L27 CHARM 3 was designed expressly to mallet all known Russian amour and heavy-ERA as of 1999 - I do think it should be at least on a par with the stronger US/USSR rounds of similar vintage.

[SwingfireOP]

Does L27 have the era defeating tip?