Fixing of Britain ,Israel ,and USA

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I have felt like Britain ,Israel, and the U.S suffer as nations in regards to there tanks and spaa in some cases, and feel like a small buff could help them.

Let me start with Britain:

Britain suffers as a nation compared to others, for many years people have been complaining about the challengers armor being kinda weak compared to irl but im sure its been fixed(im not a British main so let me know if im saying something wrong). The main area top tier Britain suffers is spaa. The flarangrad is terrible compared to other top tier spaa’s like the pansir. For starters it only can use two vt1s at a time before having to reload and if your vt1s miss then your screwed. I dont know how Gajin can fix the flarangrad or if they can add another vehicle, but i think in general Gajin should move to better Spaas for all nations that can match the pansirs level.

Israel:

I have done multiple reports on Israel in the past so ill keep it short, Merkava mk4’s dont have good armor compared to irl( they cant even survive kornets like irl and have worse cheek armor than a t-55). Then you have the imp Chaparral, the first thing Gajin could do is lower br because its got no buffs over the regular chaparral that deserve a +1 br change. I think what Gajin should do for Israel spaa is add the spyder SR as multiple people have requested, it has a 15-22 km range horizontally and 9km vertically. Not only will it help israel’s tech tree, but it will help create more balance in spaa and help against the rising Cas problem already and upcoming in the new update. I wont go too into detail on the specifics on these because there are multiple posts with better detail.

USA:

the main problem USA faces is premium and abrams turret ring, as well as a lack of competitiveness top tier. ever where in top tier i see an clickbait or aim, i think gajin should help regulate how much of those are found or used in battle as it hurts the win rate of usa, but its verrrrry unlikely gajin would hurt one of there best selling premiums as they are a company after all. Next the abrams turret ring is not fixed at all, ive heard this complaint all over and its true it needs a buff, for such a popular nation and for a fix that would help there premium market you would think it would already be fixed. And finally I think the Sepv3 should be added, even if it was added it wouldn’t be op or bad, it would fit in the balanced area, and would give USA top tier a buff it really needs.

So yeah these are my take for these nations, Feel free to correct me if im wrong or to ask for sources or what not. There are many more detailed reports on this and im just trying to summarize them and hear what you guys think on this.

I also feel in general all nations should get a 15-25km range spaa to help compete against cas and the pansir, and us has plenty of options to fit that category so let me know what you think.

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Oh boy here we go again

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Dozens of bug reports in for the armour.

But CR2 also suffers greatly due to its firepower. Unlike most nations it only has a 4 round ready rack. Compared to something like the Abrams which has 20+. This means, despite it having a 5 second reload. It has one of the worst sustained fire rates at top tier.

This was reported over a year ago: Community Bug Reporting System

For years, Britain mitigated the fact its the slowest tank at top tier, with some of the worst protection by having a reload rate advantage compared to most, not only has this been removed with everyone else getting a 5 second reload, but its actually worse than most now.

So we have an average shell, good burst fire rate but worst sustained, second worse armour behind the Ariete (except the CR3TD which is just as bad as the Ariete) and worst mobility.

ADATS, not even as good as that. its 1 missile at a time and has a max range of 8km vs a jet and about 10km vs an aircraft. It is one of the weakest SAMs at top tier, but its not that SAM

CR2 is the second worst tank at top tier, just ahead of the Ariete
CR3TD is probably the worst, by a slim margin though
We have no decent top tier IFVs
We have a barely usable, barely worthy, SAM.
One of the weakest Helis at top tier.
No haevy mutlirole CAS (mostly reliant upon dedicated CAS or CAP, only the Gripen is multirole and its weaker than the F-15E, Su-34 or F-16C)

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thats what im saying uk needs a buff , but the challengers are better in there armor yet there armor isnt that good in game! Also i think adding 15-25km range sams for all nations will help the top tier spaa for U.S a bit, but the adats has 8 missiles without reload compared to the flarangrad, can be used for anti tank duties with its gun and missiles, adats has a gun for short range while flarangrad has none.

I just thinking nations spaa should all be buffed except russia to help with CAS and whats upcoming for cas(120km missiles, spam glide bombs, etc)

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UK ADATS does not have a gun. Its missiles can be used vs tanks, but its just not good for that, they arent good enough to relaibly use it as an ATGM truck. Its also got a massive profile that leaves you exposed.

But yes, all nations need a major buff to their SAMs

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i thought u were talking about the american one lol. I just think if gajin wants to make CAS even more broken like they are rn, they should at least buff every single nations capability in there SAMS to match russia’s or make all spaa better but i think 15-25km or even 30km max is already perfectly fair. And most nations have the capabilities to match pansir

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all of them except russia, unless you want to go over the 25km range then yes

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It is one thing to be “Fair”, it is another to make SPAA able to delete instantly upon spawning… which is what you are asking for with those ranges.

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If the only way to give all nations something better, is to jump them ahead then it would be unfair to leave the Soviets way behind, even though theyve been well ahead for the last 2 years. Especialyl as Gaijin is more likely to push everyone foward with the soviets and not instead of

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even with pansir , spaa struggle to take out cas, and now with farther range arnaments coming, we can for sure assume that these aircraft can spawn missiles out before they enter that 15km-25km range i was talking abt

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true, but even with the range im proposing, russia would be in that gap,and even then gajin can add the more modern pansir

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You cant assume anything. Gaijin is still using the original closed beta testing maps from when tanks were first released… when the Panzer IV’s and T-34’s were the only real tanks you saw for weeks. Unless gaijin is gong to take the next 4 years to make maps ONLY for modern vehicles, then implement something with those kind of absurd ranges (even some Air EC maps barely stretch further than those distances)… you arent assumnig anything based on reality

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I’ll 100% get on board with limiting how many premiums are on each team. I recently played a ussr 10.3 game. By the time i died and checked 9 people all 2s38s all died and left after one death. There was only a few of us left.

Spaas for usa and isreal are a problem. Isreal more so.

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Soviets need new SPAA as well, no exceptions mean no exceptions.

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for what im proposing, the soviets fit the criteria, the pansir-s2 is 20-30km and makes it a bit better than what the criteria is, bringing back on of the og problems before. But the s2 isnt as op if comapired to the spaa im proposing so it can happen for sure

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I think aiming for 20km is good. 30km you would need HARMs.

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yeah , i think like ive said 15-25km is good, 15km would be better for better manuverability or fire and forget missiles and 20-25 is for longer ranges like spyder or pansir, i was also thinking, would mim-23 hawk be a good idea to add for this proposal

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i just ried to create a poll regarding the introduction of 15-25km range spaa for other nations, hopefully it goes well and moderators approve it?

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Give F-15 or Tornado respawn as AA. With SPAA SP costs

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Nobody told me we had a new spaa?? Guess I was distracted whilst grinding out Air