Seeing WTD61 at 10.0 while Su-22M3 is at 11.0 would be laughable.
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You brought it up. Not me.
I don’t give a flying f about chaff. It has no impact on how I think vehicles should be balanced.
Sure, and Su-17M4 can go down in BR too. [Not my actual view.]
Tornado IDS is a superior bomber to Su-17M4, flat out. Using superior self-defense missiles and superior flight performance.
If you have issues surviving in air RB matches, choose different routes.
My KDR the last time Tornado IDS was 11.0 was over 2:1, in a bomber… bombing…
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With a reduction in A2A fit of Aim-9Gs it would still be 10.7-11.0 and would still face some with strength like the Mig-23s at 10.7 but more likely it would be 11.0 (when compared to others already at 10.7) and would still face all the strong SARH slingers at 12.0.
The tornado would have to loose all AAMs or the BOZ pods to go much lower than that and what of the sub-sonic strike aircraft not that far below. Do they go lower as well?
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You are the one who compared the tornado with jets on [10.0-11.0] and
Claimed Tornado acts worse than any of the 10.3BR jets.
Very untrue.
Tornado’s each BOZ pod has two separate places for 28 LCM and 600 Large chaffs.
That makes Tornado have the advantage of having more flares (can fill 56LCM with flares only)
Compared to ‘your’ counterparts at 10.0-11.0
Which needs to split 60CM for both chaff and flare.
Or
can’t even access flares.
Even if Gaijin artificially nerf IDS WTD61 with
unhistorical AIM-9E and removes CM as you want
For sending 10.0
She will still be better than Su-17M2 or F-105D
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I have never had issues with the 9L’s. I believe they have the same flare resistance as an R60 when both are fired front aspect, but with a smaller seeker FOV, so they should be a bit better overall at avoiding flares.
The Su-17s are so much slower than the F-4 and Tornado it’s wild.
And F-105D is slower to accelerate.
More people need to realize how good the Tornado is as a bomber.
Yeah, sometimes you’ll lose to other Tornadoes and Phantoms, sometimes
Yes. Tornado herself is a very decent bomber.
The problems that Tornado suffers now are not her fault.
It’s more Gaijin’s fault who hates play bombers on ARB.
Tornados, MiG-27, Su-24…
Natural-born interdictors beaten by those damn F-4S/MiG-23ML with napalm bombs…
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I remember flying Su-22M3 as a bomber in ARB and absolutely hating when I’m paired with a bunch of WTD61s as they’ll easily beat me to any base.
I would take 10.7 with Aim-9Gs, though as I already pointed out there are 10.3s and even more 10.7s that are stronger and have better missiles and platforms.
That’d be fine.
Don’t know which one you’re referring to, but things like the Su-7 should have gone down a while ago.
Buccaneer, Harrier, Jaguar, A-7, A-10, and Su-25.
Maybe.
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Buc S2B or Jaguar Gr1A at 10.7 for example. Both much weaker than the tornado
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Mig-23 and Mig-27 are the same speed as each other at lower altitudes, and Tornado and F-4S are the same speed* [Tornado is 0.02 mach faster top speed].
Its acceleration when the F-4S player brings 15 minutes of fuel.
And Tornado has Mach 0.1 lower limits for dropping payload than F-4, which is an annoying bit.
Because F-4 can pass bases faster than a tornado on the terminal stage.
I can’t get why Tornado needs to be lower BR with costing AAM capability…
Dogfighting with guns-only for self-defence is one of the worst things that Tornado can do.
If you want to bomb mindlessly without AAM on low BR, you can try MiG-23BN.
Better off with the Ju-288C
Well, 288C isn’t jet, so I excluded it.
True, but mindless bomber that almost always get through though, I dont think there is a better premium for that
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I also noticed that all my Tornados can’t bomb bases anymore. It became far to common that fighter airframes with 4 fire bombs take all bases while youre still many km out. The other issue are fighters with rocket pods snatching everything.
My idea would be to make bases immune to fire damage and rockets. Lets see how this works.
Otherwise take the WTD off the market. Right now its a scam. You can’t use it to grind, you simply can’t generate income.
What’s the point of napalm then?
Also it would be a better idea to remove napalm from any plane classified as a fighter, rather than removing certain types of damage for no reason.
I’ve heard it isn’t a bad plane, and that it’s actually quite good if you play sim.