Gaijin need to finally accept that the current situation creates a massive unbalance between people who know what they are doing, and people who don’t. You can see it by the rift in opinion on the Pantsir, with the majority of people calling it a no-fly zone, all the while actually competent CAS players see it as a mild annoyance at worse.
Then we might get proper air defense systems, including MANPADs being restored to their actual performance, kinetic and seeker wise.
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Oh my God, I was wrong about the poor sensitivity of the Igla IR seeker. In reality, according to the table, the Igla can lock on to a Soviet Mi2 helicopter (two 400 hp engines) from a distance of 3.5-3.7-4 km. And the Bo105 helicopter (~also two 400 hp engines) in the game is not locked on by the Stinger even from 1.2-1.5 km. Same thing with the Igla. It turns out that the sensitivity of all IR seekers in the game is significantly underestimated, I knew that the damn Gaijins were deceiving us as always.
Sensitivity of the seeker Igla 4.25
Naturally, I say this without taking into account the cooling of the engine exhaust (which is not installed on all helicopters), but even with it, many helicopters have a problem with heating of the blades under the exhaust, which glow in the IR range and become an excellent bright spot for the IR seeker of MANPADS.
Again, probably in-part how they model IR signatures. I have no idea how it works for helis, but for jets its to do with Thrust. More thrust = hotter. Its why an F-5 on full reheat is colder than an F-117 or why the Harrier is so hot its nearly impossible to flare anything and only gets hotter as your airspeed goes down
F5 is colder than F117? This is strange to say the least, I read that F117 was developed with a reduced IR signature, and the ancient F5 should then glow in the IR spectrum and be captured by all MANPADS at all distances without any problems.
IR signatures being a load of dingo’s kidneys for helicopters has been a problem in this game for actual ages. It’s because IR signatures are based off of thrust and/or horsepower for helicopters and props.
This does mean that if you had your turboprop jet exhaust vent angled forward it would make the overall IR signature lower. The same goes for the majority of helicopters. Exhaust forward makes it harder to lock, for some absurd reason.
Unrelated but I do hope to see the Mi-2 in War thunder one day. It’s so small and neat.
Yup, it was and is semi-modeled. The F-117 has a 0.5x mulitplier applied to its IR signature. Its still hotter
In general, judging the IR signature by the engine power and thrust is quite logical, but the game does not take into account many nuances. For example, if we assume that all helicopters (assuming there is no cooling and exhaust shielding) have ± the same exhaust location (and this is apparently the case), then the capture distance of helicopters should be gigantic compared to the disgrace that we now have in the game. Damn helicopters are absolutely unpunished creatures, especially high-ranking ones.
F-5 and B-2 made by same company, just saying
and that is totally irrelevant.
One is an afterburning engine that spews a giant plume of flame out the back which is not designed in anyway to be stealth. The other is a non-afterburning engine in an aircraft designed to be stealth.
its a bit like saying the Harrier should have stealth capabilities because Rolls Royce makes the engine for both the harrier and F-35
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- It’s a joke
- Rolls Royce doesn’t make the F-35’s engine, Pratt&Whitney does
They make the lift-fan
Would a front exhaust worsen the brightness of the IR signature? For some reason, intuitively, it seems to me that this is not the case, otherwise no one would shield the exhaust and mix it with cold air.
If think about it, the sensitivity of the Mistral 3 is most likely in the range of 10^-12(13)W/cm^2. Since it was able to capture a drone (and they have very poor engine power and IR signature brightness) from 7 km, it can also capture motorboats.
Not to mention helicopters that utilized IRCM beacons. Especially prevalent in the Mi-24 series.
Yeah, but thats what Brismtones are for
They use IR-TV right?
SAL at the moemnt, are meant to be mmW
Oh, that’s another missing thing; Helicopter smoke screening.
tail has no armor yet back in earlier updates i could spend 70 hits on it and it wouldnt take enough damage to get fucked.
So have a10s, yet in game its nerfed as hell.
It’s how it would work in the game, due to abstraction and highly simplified modeling. If the AH-6 had the engine exhaust pointing forward, the game would say it’s “colder”.