Oh it’s a good tank, not 2A7/Strv 122 level, but I still really enjoy playing it when I’m not grinding other trees.
I just meant to point out his hypocracy by calling other players shit while he himself isn’t that good of a player, but I don’t want to derail the topic too much.
yeah ofc US suffer from bad reaload or bad munition… what make UK bad is not only the armor, its also the mobility, for france its the round and italy, its only the armor and 6.5 aced reload. (And btw you can add israel that can be pen everywhere on the chassis.) Abrams on the other hand has comparable armor as the other mbt exepted russian and german one but actually compensate that by an incredible reload and mobility. so yeah don’t compare it to the leclerc, chally and ariete.
okay one i never said anything about comparing the Abrams Armor to the European Mbt’s i said it was not given its full amount of armor…
this could be said about every minor nations MBTs, they’re all not fully modeled
I guess their idea is a Russian copy-and-paste vehicle… So lazy and incompetent are the developers that they no longer release Italian vehicles, in the Italian technology tree.
I know, i was talking about someone who said that the us get trolled by gaijin.
this aged well
No one sane is gonna spend 70 bucks on it unless they fix the armor. From a salesman POV, letting the premium Ariete out without fixing Arietes is just dumb as fuck.
Hahaha you underestimate intelligent of the human’s brain
its pretty easy at this point : does it have como net ?
Yes : premium
No : premium or squadron
Whats there to fix? There aren´t any sources and in the absence of these Gaijin is free to guestimate armors as much as they want.
The tank weighs over 50 tonnes, no one sane can think all it has is a bit of spaced armour on the front of the hull. It will have at least the same frontal protection as Leo 2A4, or very similar.
Weight might be an important indicator of protection but an indicator isn´t the same as evidence. Ie. its not enough. We have no sources specifying the composition or requirements for Ariete´s armor.
Given this precarious position these are the thing you can push forward that will improve ingame armor rating:
Demanding equalizing the armor protection of both turret cheeks. The left cheek has singificantly better armor rating than the right cheek, which doesn´t make any sense. Left cheeck effectively protects vs BM42 while the right one doesn´t.
Demonstrating that the front hull armor is a lot thicker than currently modeled and therefore demanding the same armor rating as the front turret.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/MA8ugNxKkXQm
This bug report that was passed to the devs has sources all stating the armour is wayyyy higher than the current laughable in game model. It weighs 55 tons ffs, unless they are using special air in their spaces armour that weighs several tons, this isn’t just a bad Gaijin guesstimate, this is blatantly incorrect and a major nerf to the Ariete, which has to deal with subpar mobility due to the weight yet doesn’t get the advantage of the armour.
It’s no 2A7 but come on, the Ariete is not just a bunch of air and apparently lead bricks.
On the other hand, 55 tons is on the lighter side for this kind of tanks. Biggest drawback is that there is no public source out there talking about requirements that I´m aware off.
the linked bug report has the public sources listed for Ariete protection
Well I meant primary sources, something concrete and undisputable indicating exactly what level of protection they wanted for the tank. Secondary sources just ain gonna cut it. I just tried a quick search for patents that may be related to Ariete´s armor. No luck.
Yeah cause that’s all gonna be classified obviously lol. Idk what you are looking for. All top tier MBTs are modern enough that their protection is classified, so ALL WE HAVE are these “secondary” sources. In the case of the Ariete there is more than one brochure by Iveco / OTO Melara (the manufacturer for the Ariete and most Italian armoured vehicles) that states the frontal protection as being more than what we are given in game. As far as non-classified sources go, all of those are far better than gaijin saying “well I guess this just has some air in here because we feel like it.”
You meant to say you underestimate the intelligence of the developers… Because let’s be honest only they get to that low level of intelligence… Here’s a preview while they have a high level discussion among themselves.😂
Well thats not the case at all since we have plenty of primary sources regarding armor of most modern tanks. The Ariete case is unique as there are no primary sources declassified. But we need to finds ways around it. What posters and brochures are you talking about?