They have before, for a significant amount of issues.
Jane’s has not been accepted as source for quite some time and reports solely based on Jane’s sourcing will not be accepted.
At most, people use Jane’s as additional reference to back other, more reliable & accepted secondary sources or for image-references (and even then Jane’s is sometimes removed from the internally forwarded version of the report, see: CV90120-T weight report)
God they truly screwed the CV90120 into being worthless
Alright, that’s cool. I guess this game will remain dead because Bug Reporting Managers and Gaijin lack common sense of establishing a vehicle is using a certain type of engine by using data from Mercedes-Benz with basic 320KW number that is provided.
Also Wehrtechnik doesn’t have any information after looking for an hour.
Vehicle will remain dead on release. I tried.
The very fast and dangerous, but it’s neither fast nor dangerous… The first thing they mention about this vehicle is the poor mobility it has, this is definitely not 9.7 material, just barely 9.3.
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Fast. Looks inside. Slow.
For what gaijin, for what??
best part is that BAE Systems always lists the max hull/chassis weight for the vehicle in brochures
Unlike ALVIS Hägglunds whom listed the actual max. vehicle configuration weight.
BAE Systems themself list 38t as max weight for the CV90120-T in its current form on the website, yet the brochure lists the maximum weight as >45t GVW-R (iirc it stands for gross vehicle weight - rated) which just like the 35t figure in the 2006 brochure is the maximum weight for the hull/chassis used at the time…
Also worth noting that the BAE figures are “Principal characteristics”, wheras the ALVIS Hägglunds figures (from 2002, showing essentially the exact same configuration as ingame, minus the better engine) lists everything under the title “CV90120 TANK - SPECIFICATIONS”.
I also noticed @ test drive that you won’t reach the indicated topspeed. Even when you drive on that paved road. Classical paper stat.
It could easily have DM63 imo although the difference is probably negligible
If there’s more info on the transmission we could at least have the gears doubled so it has some decent acceleration.
I did the same for the luchs, you just need a source that proofs the transmission has a torque converter.
There’s no point for the transmission, bug reporter refuses to connect the information on the vehicle using a 320-370KW power range OM-442 LA even after establishing the vehicle has used the “400 series” engine and backing it up with the mercedes-benz power graphs.
Like a bulk of the vehicles mobility depends on the fact is a Diesel engine with a usable higher output, it would mean the vehicle would perform very well going up hill slowly, but also be able to reach its higher top speed as intended.
Since it’s Janes they won’t take it so someone will need to find another source on it specifying 400 series engines even though the developers know its a 400 series engine.
Wehrtech definitely has images of the th-400 project but information is very difficult to garner in it. I looked through multiple years of Indexes without any references of the TH family mentioned so it may be very difficult.
Wehrtechnik 1987 has a mention of the TH-400 having an automatic loader? Going back through the catalogues again. Very bottom of the page.
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Well, ideas they had manys… build they have not.
It just says that the crew would be reduced from 4 to 3 men if (a turret with) an autoloader was used.
There is. With 12 gears it could at least climb hills and accelerate decently
After playing it a bit I have to say its BR is far, far to high. It barely moves. For a supposedly wheeled flanker its just slower than most tanks. In a practical way. Its acceleration is too slow and it never reaches its top speed. Uphill its like going with 9km/h. Fails to climb the slightest slope.
Its far worse than Radkampfwagen and other nation’s flankers. Not even the same hemisphere.
Typical scene, just after matchstart. The other light vehicles are significantly faster. Despite some have much lower BRs. I didn’t manage to reach the cap in time. Its acceleration is exetremly bad.
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Shifting would be better yes, but currently there is no reliable information on the engine. Without proof of the OM-442LA being the used engine they can “balance” it the way they deem when it comes to rpm and torque values.
I will tell you this much; The RPM/Torque represented in game is not correct at all on the machine-Compare it to the documentation on the OM-442LA 320-370 KW. For a 24.5 ton armored car, it struggles to drive up hills even though it has been stated to use a diesel engine which are made to produce significantly higher torque for the weight.
I just don’t see Gaijin actually properly modeling this without changing the engine to factory specific numbers even with the added transmission gears; It just means it would be smoother at shifting on flat surfaces sure-But it will regardless still struggle on hills and that is the point I’m trying to highlight.
Right now even the above screenshot for example, at 2000 RPM the vehicle is falling behind because initial torque is just not enough to “pull” the vehicle forward and struggles to shift up. Even though initially when the vehicle starts accelerating it should already be much ahead of these vehicles or at least matching them for its weight class.
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Well I just dug through all the 2000-04 Rheinmetall-Detec & Rheinmetall Landesysteme websites, and zero mention of the R400. I genuinely think Janes is the singular only source on the vehicles engine, there is still the option to contact the person who restored the one in Holland to see if they could provide more solid information.
TH-400 got traction in 1987-89, and there are a lot of mention of it during its market period between 1989-97 but not enough in terms of descriptive information. Once the company was bought and Rheinmetall -Detec acquired multiple other companies to form Henschel Wehrtechnik with them to create Rheinmetall Landsysteme in 1999 officially.
I think this vehicle is officially going to remain dead and stay a paper tank unless Gaijin and the Bug Report moderators want to make an exception to some sources.
If we’re not going to accept the vehicle clearly was given a 320 KW engine value and Daimler-Benz clearly have had their 300-400 Series engines used plenty in Thyssen-Henschel vehicles, and with the light of the clear OM-442LA document showing clear information that attributes to the stated engine power rating; Making it a safe assumption this vehicle did use it-
Then I firmly believe Gaijin should have just not added this vehicle. I hate to break it, but almost every vehicle added to Germany has huge discrepancies, and the trend has only gotten worse. Game has lost quality and detail exchanged for slop on demand.
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