Except it was already put into the rules over 10 years ago. It has always been in the rules. Just because people became comfortable with not getting into trouble doesnt mean they will rework the whole system now.
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Noone has a problem with the rule existing. The issue is the lack of involvement.
That whole statement negates itself. The rule existing states that it is an automated system… but if the issue is lack of involvement, how does that change the fact that the rule states any team damage (not even just team kills) is a violation of 3.1? Just because nobody reports someone being shot in the face doesnt make it okay for them to be shot in the face…
Because the rule falls under unsportsmanlike conduct and not all TKs are unsportsmanlike.
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But if it was self defense it does.
3. DAMAGE TO TEAMMATES, “FRIENDLY FIRE”
3.1. These War Thunder specific rules expressly prohibit causing damage to teammates or so-called “friendly fire” in a Game, including, without limitation, the following actions: inflicting damage to teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, destroying teammates’ vehicles or any of its parts, disorienting teammates. Please note that damaging teammates is forbidden even if the damaging functionality is technically allowed in a Game.
3.2. The sanctions for violating the above-mentioned rule are automatically imposed by the in-game system that analyzes the Player’s in-game behavior. In exceptional cases, the Administration may manually evaluate the alleged violation and set the corresponding sanction.
3.3. The rule in paragraph 3.1 above also applies to certain Game events (official streams, championships, etc.) officially announced and sanctioned by the Administration. In some cases, during such Game events, the in-game punishment system mentioned above may be disabled, and the participants will not be punished for minor or insignificant violations. However, the Administration may always impose the Game Access Restriction for a period from 3 to 7 days on a Player who causes damage or destroys a teammate during such Game events.
These arent unsportsman like conduct rules… these are black and white, in text, rules…
That is gaijin general code of conduct… Try reading the one that says “War Thunder Specific Rules”
This version of the document is outdated and no longer in effect. For the most current version, please visit Nutzungsbedingungen Von Gaijin.
Yeah I read up.
They can’t really be black and white if they state that administration can step in and manually review a case. That alone implies there’s a grey area. It might be a small one but it automatically disproves that it’s cut and dry/black and white.
Yes completely outdated… which is why it was posted by Gaijin staff at the start of this mess to explain to people why they were being banned.
Moving the goalpost are we?
ANNEX #1. GAME RULES
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To ensure an enjoyable gaming experience for everybody, you must behave respectfully and appropriately towards other players while playing our Games. This includes, without limitation, that you are not allowed to use nicknames or clan (squadron, etc.) names, slogans, logos, descriptions, etc., or disseminate other content that is unlawful, sexually related, misleading, misrepresentative, or promotes hate speech, contains derogatory, offensive remarks, or that relates to controversial figures or groups in a way that incites conflict, degrades human dignity, or encourages forceful governmental overthrow.
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You must play fair and not intentionally disrupt your team’s gameplay. For example, you must not hurt your teammates on purpose (“friendly fire”), block their movements, or stay inactive (“AFK”) during a game session. You must not use cheats, bugs, exploits, or other methods of unfair play.
The current document
Not moving the goal post… pointing out that it was cited by staff as to being the rules. It is simple, dont TK, dont team damage, dont be stupid in game and shoot at friendlies. Pretty simple. Thousands of us have played for 10+ years without having a ban from TK. Now people get punished for it and the water works pour out about “Thats unfair”. The automated system is still in place (again, confirmed earlier).
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So sight you sight a source as evidence that I need to read up on the rules. I show you the current rules explicitly state intentionally and now you are saying intention still doesn’t matter?
How has the goalpost not moved?
And I have still yet to see a persuasive enough argument against just removing the ability to TK from realistic battles and solving this once and for all. I don’t even TK players, I just think Gaijin’s logic here is asinine. If there’s absolutely no justification for a TK, then intent doesn’t matter. If intent doesn’t matter, then shouldn’t everyone have received some temporary ban for it since again, there’s not justification for doing such? But I guess Gaijin can’t do that because they’d prevent more than half their player base from playing; even if for just an hour or so.
Simple solution: turn off the ability to team kill in realistic battles, keeping it on only for Sim Battles and everyone wins. Spawn camping does more ruin the experience more than TKing does and by a massive margin too. But you don’t see Gaijin rushing to fix that.
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Honestly if the intentions doesn’t matter and they are just going to blank ban for anything you have a point. Remove friendly fire.
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I will use “updated” links just for you…
● Griefing . Causing damage to teammates or so-called “friendly fire”, including, without limitation, the following actions: inflicting damage to teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, destroying teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, disorienting teammates.
Which is identical to the “Outdated” rule 3.1
https://legal.gaijin.net/codeofconduct
Compared to the “outdated” which was just moved to a new page name and layout:
3.1. These War Thunder specific rules expressly prohibit causing damage to teammates or so-called “friendly fire” in a Game, including, without limitation, the following actions: inflicting damage to teammates’ vehicles or any of their parts, destroying teammates’ vehicles or any of its parts, disorienting teammates. Please note that damaging teammates is forbidden even if the damaging functionality is technically allowed in a Game.
You literally posted what i did earlier when i said unsportsmanlike conduct.
Then I fail to see how you still fail to understand it is the SAME rule… Hasnt changed…
Including, without limitation… pretty black and white