How the hell did gaijin come up with the idea that a jet with 4 7-e2s, agile eagle, 4 9js and a decent fm would be okay at 10.7 along with the f4ej with 4 7s? let alone an f104s which has 4 9js and 2 7s?
The 7-e2s are that much better than the base aim7s so how are they considered equal, let alone the fact it gets agile eagle and an in built cannon? I thought i could have some fun in the f104s in sim at least but then i come to find the lobbies are just full of f4es destroying teams due to them having the best kit at the br and a fm that kind actually dog fight. Maybe with the old fm the f104s could have handled it but rn they can barely sustain a turn, let alone try and get away from an f4e thats focused on you…
When i went to double check the br of the f4e after the game i mixed up the f4c and the f4e. No idea whos in charge of sim brs but i think he has a preference for some aircraft…
Probably because at this BR radar AAMs are flat out useless against anyone with half a mind since nobody has a PD radar, meaning unless you have someone within ACM range or you are in low earth orbit, you aren’t being locked by the radar.
Does not matter what radar AAM you have if you aren’t getting a lock to begin with, better off using IR AAMs.
Just wrong, even with cm you still need to at least notch to chaff the dog fights and other non french missiles. So flying even somewhat off the deck requires you to know how to notch effectively. But against an f4e thats not really in the cards as its fast enough to catch you while having agile eagle so its able to dog fight you as well. Unless your in a mig 21 bus your not gonna be winning that dog fight.
Sounds like a you issue, if you are getting locked in the first place by a non-PD radar you are doing something inherently wrong since none of them can lock you until around 3km if you are flying correctly.
? sir, i think its more of a you issue if your unable to get a lock past 4km lol. Ive gotten locks at around 20km with the f4ejs radar let alone others. You dont just use acm mode to lock. Plus, as long as the missile isnt pulse but continuous wave youll have to notch it instead of just popping some chaff.
From the sounds of it you obviously dont know the first thing about radar missiles so please dont comment on this.
No lol you have no idea what you’re on about, non-PD radars get instantly fooled by chaff from ANY aspect and usually only take a moment for the missile to also lose lock
Nope, missiles like the 7es have some chaff resistance. You,ve obviously never used a radar missile other than an r3r. Dont ask me for specifics as im not sure if its simply how continuous works or if it has a chaff filter. But what i can tell you that it takes a WHOLE bunch of chaff to simply chaff a 7e let alone a 7-e2 without at least notching.
It might simply be that it goes for the biggest radar sig, which in the case of a big ass jet going basically mach towards it, is probably a good bet itll hit the jet. Its like trying to flare an ircm missile, you need to get out of its seaker before you can even worry about it reacquiring you.
Notching may not be the best word, but it works the same so who cares. instead of becoming invisible to the doplar effect im now making the chaff cloud a bigger target than my jet. Its not a hard concept to get.
I’ve gotten locks out to 58 miles with the F-4E, against targets in LEO that is. I would love to hear how you were able to acquire a lawnmowing target at 20km, when anyone with a brain should be so deep in clutter that your scope should be a green blob, let alone an actual track.
You are also aware that CW missiles can fail to hit targets under a certain altitude regardless of the closing velocity or notching right? Especially the earlier SARH AAMs available in game.
For musing that you were able to pick up a lawnmowing target with the AN/APQ-120 at 20km, I doubt you seem to be the authority on the matter that you seem to insinuate you are.
Never said anything about a lawnmowing target? Im more on about targets at 1km+ which does limit the radar but ive gotten locks at 10km which is more than enough for dog fights but not for normal 7s which is my problem. The normal 7 can barely hit anything within 8km and requires a 10km shot to really garuntee a hit. All this while being on a worse fm with a worse radar than the f4e… Im not here to argue about radar missiles as its just a fact they are amazing in sim, want im pissed about is how the f4e/kurnas is at the same br as the f4c and f104s which gets worse fm, radar missiles and on par or worse ir missiles. The f4e should be 11.0…
And I have been since my first response, if you aren’t continually flying within ground clutter at this BR you are asking for trouble and also putting yourself at a direct disadvantage when deploying both IR and SARH AAMs as being low allows you to nose up to engage higher targets with SARHs without any influence of ground clutter.
With the 7E / D you have to wait 4.5 seconds for the full overload to unlock, in head on shots thats nearly impossible most of the time as most closing speed at this BR will have that 8 to 10 miles go extremely fast head on. Issue is though that such a situation is playing straight into the hand of the F-4E, since, as you have already highlighted, the dogfight sparrow is the same as the base 7E but without the pull mult limit, and a 0.7 second guidance delay.
That and frankly it is better to deploy IR AAMs against F-4s in general due to their engines being literal suns, that allow front aspect shots up to 2 miles with AIM-9Es or Js due to just how stupidly hot they are.
Both the F-4C and F-104s frankly have no reason to exist at their current BRs to begin with, both should be slightly lower, the 4C easily could go down but the issue with the 104s has been and still is that they paddle lower tier aircraft but die horribly to higher tier aircraft. The recent FM nerf has only further exacerbated the latter, and, Imo, at least in SIM, I would be fine with them sliding down a bracket. In the case of the F-4C, it really should be remade into the F-4D and given superior equipment, it has been painful for a while.