The transition zone from SARH to ARH is also brutal these days, you use to have the phoenixs as “training wheels” for dodging ARHs (come to think of it I wonder if the USAs poor performance in top tier air is partly due to the years of phoenix spam weeding out the people who couldn’t deal with it on the other nations), now its straight into AIM-120s and PL-12.
They could maybe give the F-16A AIM-9Ms and up it to 12.7, but I don’t know if that would help it or just make things worse.
that would only make things worse.
what needs to happen is, move the M2KCS5 back to 12.7, move the F/A-18A to 12.7, return the F-15s to 13.0, remove the premium hornets from the store and move them to 13.0 for everyone who still owns them, limit how many F-14Ds can be on one team to two, and move the Su-30s to 13.7.
all of that will almost instantly solve nearly every issue that BR range is facing right now.
oh also as a treat, remove AIM-120s from the american F-16A ADF and drop it back down to 12.7. doesn’t need it, you want FOX3s on an F-16? play the C.
all of this would return viability of planes like the F-16A, F-16AJ, F-4EJ Kai, and would make 12.0s more playable
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Gajin is too lazy to make all those changes tbh. If it does come it’d be incredible but it will probably get silenced for money and greed.
the worst part is that this won’t happen because the hornets and flankers are printing money, so the hornets can’t be uptiered and removed from the store and the Su-30s can’t be uptiered because they’re so far the biggest money printers the game has seen
sadly i have to agree that’s why the downtier option is quite viable maybe to like 12.0 it will avoid the su30s which have the missiles which are very op sadly. the f18 is “fine” like its quite easy to notch the aim 7s.
Honestly I would increase the max BR to 15.0 and move every ARH plane up a step, I think most of the other stuff would settle out naturally over a a balance patch or two.
The also need to stop splitting teams, I think that is preventing some of the more OP planes from standing out and being up tiered, for example the premium SU-30s are usually fighting other premium Su-30s which will keep their performance lower than if they where fighting F-16ADFs.
I never really understood that change TBH.
I miss my F-4EJ Kai… It’s still my most played plane.
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Nah, if theyre going to remain sole aircrafts with usable 7Ps, they need to stay. Decompressing the BR range and then moving the premium hornets up would be sufficient to fix them.
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I believe it’s because it is linked to the italian one? And italy only ever used them with amraams so many people wanted it to get them and be historical.
Who knows why they couldn’t just unlink them and have less copy paste
AJ to 12.3 i can get on board with
The rest of the non fox3 f16s are RIP- could go 12.0 at a push
Mirage f1 vs f16a- mirage is faster, has 10x the CMs or something CBA looking, better missiles.
F16- FM thats it.
Jet lives on its name only- 12.3 phantom global stats dog walking the f16 says it all
Aircraft might unfitting to the meta at the same time as being cracked in non-meta scenarios.
Early F-16s can dogfight eurofighter. Its just that since the BRs they are placed at is mostly about radar missiles, so they have no presence in 2/3 of the match due to having no SARHs.
But put them at BR where meta shifts from radar missiles to IRs and what do you get?
We already had MiG-21bis vs. F-16 games and let me tell you, it wasnt fun.
11.0 has only really 3 jets players use- f5, mig21, canard
Canard should of been moved to 10.7 long ago.
Leaves F5 and mig 21. In a downtier - mig/F5 is even more oppressive- fights flareless and subsonics that have no chance in any situation.
This is just war thunder balancing and the same issues are apparent throughout all BRs
Dont see how the f16 being 12.0 is any worse. Decompression isnt ever happening so no surprise players want 0.5KD jets moved.
F16 is great 1 vs 1 granted…but we play 16 vs 16 hence why it has the same Kd as a harrier that doesnt even get a radar.
Just because some aircrafts arent popular does not mean they wont be affected. Granted not at home PC rn so I cant see how many 11.0 jets there actually are including the unpopular ones, but point still stands.
Right and what will happen once F-16A is 12.0?
F-5E and 21bis players will start to complain that they see F-16 in full uptier and demand BR of their jets lowered.
But now 9.7 will complain that they see F-5Es in full uptier, so they too will demand BR of their jets to be lowered…
Before you know it, we have late spitfires at 3.0 or something like that lol.
I know, slippery slope fallacy but not every prediction is slippery slope fallacy especially if there are examples of this already happening in lieu of F-15A BR change.
Do I need to remind this bloke not so long ago who demanded the early MiG-29s to be at 12.0 as well?
Not to mention all the ridiculous demands all over the place.
It perpetuates the outlined problem of recompressing the game.
That does not justify making the situation worse.
Hence me saying it doesnt fit the meta due to lack of presence.
Oh no, people who abuse jet with rigged flight model and heat signature will complain. Sure their complaints matter, right?
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I mean, F-15A got moved down to 12.7 and i unironically think its only matter of time before some jets will follow the suit (especially if the solution to the premium su30 question keeps getting postponed).
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The 2 decent jets at 11.0 have it (too) good in a downtier and already have bigger fish to fight already at 12.0.
Mig 25 can also suck eggs as its easily the most toxic jet in the game
Which leaves stike amd bombers- both " have no use in airRB" WT admin.
As no decompression.
The other options are: move jets like the f16a that have strike jet stats or leave the game to slowly die with its 2- 3 vics that compete at each BR out of the grand total…