I debated someone that thinks f15c is on par with f15e/i and typhoon and should be 14.0
Just want your opinion if he is right and why or why not
Thank you
It’s by far the strongest 13.7 and brushing against 14.0. it could be either BR. It would not take much to push it to 14.0. For example giving it BOL
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All 13.7 should be 14.0 imo
If that were true, the J-11A would actually be good enough to be worth playing. Every single 13.7 does not deserve to be 14.0.
U rly thinks f15c is on par with the typhoon or f15e?
Its strong 13.7 dont u agree its not on par with the typhoon and f15e?
I think it’s perfectly capable of being used against either. Just don’t dogfight them. You are still perfectly capable of reaching decent speeds and altitudes in the F-15C, you still have a decent radar (better than the Typhoons at the moment), you still have a decent RWR and a very good pool of CMs and you still have 8x AMRAAM which is more than the Typhoon and outranges the MICA on the Rafale.
So long as you don’t zerg rush into a merge, there is no reason why an F-15C could not go toe to toe with them in a BVR fight or make hit and run attacks against those that are distracted.
ARH eliminates mucb of the aircraft performance gaps and levels the playing field greatly. I’d argue there is a far larger performance gap between aircraft like the Tornado F3 Late at 13.3 or J-11A at 13.7 and the F15C than there is between the F15C and the Typhoon/Rafale/F15E.
Heck, only real difference between the F15C and F15E are some slightly more powerful engines at the cost of also more weight.
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In some aspects its better than F-15E…
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Like what?
Exept in df which is kinda useless
Its not slightly the acceleration is even better then the typhoone if im not mistaken
Im not denying its a good plane but 14.0?
Typhoon will destroy it how can u say they are equal?
F-15C can evade R-27ET
F-15E… mostly not, due of 2 very hot engines
If the F-15C must be 13.7 because the Typhoon at 14.0 is “too strong” then most of the other 13.7s and all of the 13.0-13.3s need to be moved down a LOT as few can actually fight the F-15C
That being said. The exact same way i’ve killed too many F-15Cs using the Sea Harrier FA2. With AMRAAMs
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Huh rly?
Both are 2 hot engines f15e have slightly more is the last thing that matters
Well br compression is a issue
But i just want to know is the f15c equal to typhoone and f15e?
No way! The F-15C should never be uptered to 14.0! It should be 14.3
Likewise, the current 14.0s should be 14.7
Again, its a highly relative question that depends highly on context.
in a 1v1 with guns only, no
in a 1v1 with IR missiles only, probably not.
in a 1v1 BVR fight at long range, yeah, F-15C probably has the advantage with 2 more AMRAAM and the better radar. Also Typhoon has BOL which are very weak CMs at the moment, so F-15C could also be argued to have the better CM loadout.
The Typhoon could outclimb the F-15C but not that significantly nor could it outclimb it to the point in which the F-15C was at the mercy of the Typhoon.
Ultimately, I would put it down to the skill/experience of the pilots and not the airframes for that fight.
Compared to the F-15E, the F-15C is overall lighter and is better suited for dogfighting and close-end engagements. Still, I think the F-15E with its more powerful engines and high-altitude performance it gets from it allows it to play for a more ‘safe’ playing BVR approach compared to the F-15C. Especially since AIM-120Bs still have the best long range use over any other AMRAAM currently in the game.
Since it can not only lob the same missiles but also be able to react and dodge more easily other ARH missiles with the raw engine performance you can get from it at higher altitudes.
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Welp, a lot of difference in heat signature also matters
For me the typhoon still wins the BVR because of its extremely good energy retention and low drag post mach.
But that doesn’t matter because any BVR fight with experienced players will end up being WVR where any aim120 carrier will have a major disadvantage compared to the other missiles with better HOBS performance. The typhoon kinda mitigates this by having a big energy advantage over everything when you get close.
If you are an F-15 or a typhoon your best bet is to get close to a defensive target and launch your Aim-9M in side aspect and run to the opposite side your target is going to hopefully get away of the incoming fox3 launched in HOBS at you.
This ONLY applies against very good pilots. Not your average AirRB encounter.
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No because the F-15E is just a direct upgrade. But with essentially any amount decompression it should stay only .3 below the E, unlike other 13.7s which may not.
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