The 9m isnt some un beatable missiles, yes. But the strat to beat them requires a massive dump of flares. And most jets at the br only have enough to dodge 2 maybe 3 if they know what their doing. Its the a10a all over again, as just like playing a jet without flares you just stay away from them instead of ingaging them.
Also, 9ls at 11.3 is far from a broken thing, the tornado gets them on a frame that is now better than the f104 (does bring a tear to m eye that weve come that far). having 4 9ls on a platform that struggle to get nose on means youll still have to fire at unsuspecting players meaning youll still be limited on kills. And the lack of rwr even at 11.3 would mean it still couldnt fly high making the aspides and mti radar usless. It really wouldnt be broken but simply good at 11.3.
The f4e doesnt get one which is what i was referencing it with. I spaded it while it was at 11.0 before the br changes and i dont suspect ill be playing it ever again as it was bad enough back then.
It was the first 10.0 i ever got a while back, always loved it cause i felt it wasn’t just a pick up and go, aka used.to blow my wings off until i seen some handy comments.
Now theyre just stupid tbh. Wing damage being totally non existenct if u net G is just silly
The a10c btw i dont think is acceptable at its current br but ive come across a few in the f5E and not ran out of cms. Tbf only one actually launched a missile that i had to flare n dodge the rest i think were too far off bore and just missed.
The tornados only get 2 x 9Ls at 11.3 rather than four, no radar missiles (useless due to gun loss but still add to the weapon pack) maye have a better fm now. (Didnt think id say that)
But id rather use an f104 with 4 x 9Ls than a tornado.
Let me use a different jet as an example, the yak38, arguably one of the worst jets in the game for its performance, bar acceleration and top speed (for the br bracket)
What makes that any use at all is the 4 x r60s, now even though its fm is absolutely mince, it can still rinse a lot of people quickly.
The ASA would suffer the same issues but not quite as profound due to enemies having flares. But the 9L is miles better than r60.
11.7 for the asa and decompression of other air frames such as f14 up would put the asa in a good spot without causing decompression in itself.
Apologies for the long winded response
the only reason i think the asa could be 11.3 is due to it not facing any jets without flares, that i could think off anyway. The yack 38 does well due to not many jets having flares. The aspides are basically skyflash dogfights which the viggen gets and its at a lower br than the asa.
The new BR changes were announced, all MiG21 bis will go down to 11.0, but the F104 will continue to be 11.3.
Mig23 mf will be 11.0… but f104 S still 11.3
Why gaijin… just why
Yeah and the F5C is 10.7 which is just not a good decision to do, all while the F8U2 is staying 10.0, the F104 should of moved to 11.0 in this change as well man.
lets not even broach the ground subject they brought out 12.0 and just moved everything up xD
ASA can now see the su27 do with that what youd like…
F-5C was always significantly worse than F-104S though. F-5C should’ve never been the same BR as F-5E, which itself is slightly inferior to F-104S.
In a 1v1 F-104S doesn’t die and can bring 2 radar missiles if necessary.
F-5E can’t.
Genuinely the f5C i got the day before the br change to 11.0, it was a club machine, even at 11.0 i found, personally absolutely bliss to use, currently spading the E so ill reserve a verdict until its done.
However the f5E could easily be 11.3 amd the C stay 11.0, i think ive died to an f104 G or taf once or twice in the 5C
The advantage of the S is literally the ability to choose to engage or not aka speed. Which realistically is what makes it better, i mean the missiles are a bonus but minus that you can literally just run, turn and re position on the f5 at the leasure of your choosing even after the fm nerfs. This apppies to almost every f104.
However the f5c being pushed back down isnt going to be healthy imo , no 9.7 can effectively contest it.
Regardless! F8u2 still hasnt had a change officially yet.
And the asa can now see the su27… which even you know will kerb stomp it.
eh? they all have an rwr mate, and the ids is probably alot better than it rn as i can actually do decently well in it. A good rwr does that to you, i think people seriously underestimate how powerfull an rwr is.
So does the asa… again all of those are arguably worse than the asa, some barely have any countermeasures at all and others are stuck with rear only missiles. I fail to see how them having rwr makes them better than the ASA
The rwr on the asa doesnt tell you direction. if youve ever played 11.3 and above you should know that is a MASSIVE problem. You literaly cant do anything to oncoming missiles apart from fly bellow 60m… Now if your telling me you can comfortably do that on ALL wt maps then go ahead, argue away that it should be at least 11.7 and more preferably 11.3.