then they should of just moved the F104A and C up to 9.7 or 10.0 as people stated that they dominated the entire 9.3 and down bracket and could only be contested by the F8U2 after the recent BR changes
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That explains the RWR…
“F-104S is one of the best 11.3s in the game.” ur stats literally don’t represent that. U have much more than 2.0 using A-5. Similarly people have much better time flying any F5, any MiG 23, any MiG 21, flying F14 with 6 AIM 54s is easy 2 kills without doing anything. These planes can be considered “best”, not when u sweat to get at least 2.0. U played 42 days on fighter planes, now imagine a newbie being unlucky to buy F-104S TAF or researching Italian nation without premium plane.
No man… again, simple maneuvers of 90 degrees bleed energy and put u lower 900 km/hour. Making 180 dergess turn takes ages and u end up with 700-800 km/hour.
And yes, of course AIM 9 L is mediocre when u’re being killed by AIM 9 M and when u fly against MiG 29 and F15.
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Going slower makes your notch angle wider and makes it easier to notch
My stats show that F-104S is in-line with all other good jets I’ve used.
Also I exclusively used A-5 when contrails weren’t a thing, so that’s similar to using the F-104S when it was 10.7.
The moment contrails became a thing I stopped playing A-5 cause the meta tactic was destroyed.
F-15s are 13.0.
F104 TAF was already terrible, now it is literally unplayable in any uptier (which is 95% of the matches).
11.7? Good look trying to evade a Mig 23 with it’s R24 headon even if you are hugging the trees, 12.0? Good look against AIM7F and Magic 2s.
12.3? Enjoy 4 F14 spamming phoenixes and Fakours (idk why the F14 Iranian isn’t in 12.7 already because of the Fakour, specially after the buff).
F104 is in essence a boom and zoom plane to climb and hit people on high speed passes, but those that sit on 11.0 and above can’t do the ONE thing they are good at because of radar missiles, and in a pencil that turns worse than a 2.0 bomber, you can’t defend… hug the floor? Same thing, you can’t dogfight, and in a headon you die if the enemy has radar missiles.
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ASA is 12.0, wake up.
Basically u and me are not mediocre players. Having 2.0 KDR flying F104S is an ACHIEVEMENT, not a a given. Plus, I got these stats before the nerf, now… Nah, sorry.
Come on man A-5 can still have two undodgeable Matra magics 1. Actually yeah, this is one of the planes that kills F104 A/C easily when diving to F104.
Unfortunately, having lower speed these days DOESN’T HELP F104, at all. AOA isn’t increased AT ALL at 800 km/hour, instead u’re just a slower, more vulnerable target.
yes but said subsequent models have been completely destroyed in gaijins attempt to balance, they wouldnt of changed the FM of the F104 if there wasnt such a fuss over the lower BR ones completely dominating, causing people to dig up stuff to nerf it.
rather than just up the BR of those two, what happened was someone went n dug up the FMs for the F104 in general and has subsequently destroyed teh capability of any F104 that is above the A and C models in the US tree.
Now what will happen is eventually these F104s will come down in BR and stomp lower BRd lobbies.
and the compression continues
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All my posts are on F-104S, which is my expertise.
You responded to my post on F-104S, not ASA.
@Italy_Suffers is an expert on F-104S ASA, not I.
So talk with them about ASA as their takes will be ones I trust.
Also having 2:1 KDR in F-104S when that’s my average KDR for gen 3 onward fighter jets to begin with is not an achievement for me individually.
Having that average across all jets is an achievement, but F-104S having it just means it’s balanced at its BR.
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I mean… Is it so hard to comprehend, that a single example of urself… is NOT ENOUGH for stats? That is simply not objective, right?
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And no, man, I mentioned AIM 9-L and called them mediocre, and u find this statement laughable. But, only F104S ASA has AIM 9Ls, so that’s not my problem that u didn’t know that.
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then wait for the next balancing patch by gaijin and theyll balance of fhow it performs statistically
Cross-analysis is how I come to my conclusions, not necessarily stats.
Stat-ratios can show if something is OP.
If you see my Jagdpanzer IV stats and compare it to all other casemates, it’s obviously OP.
you called aim9Ls mediocre ?
Well, I hope so. Basically, that’s why these forums exist, so the devs can take a peek
Sure, in the context of F104S ASA at 12.0, fighting F15, MiG 29
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what about in the context of the F16 using them? or the F15 ?
the 9L is not mediocre at all, the platform its on is.
dont get them confused, yes im well aware how dogwater the F104s at high BRs are doing after the nerf.
in reality but, thats how these things perform.
“the 9L is not mediocre at all, the platform its on is.” Well, basically yeah, u can interpret that this way, no problem with that.