Balanced off of, and if i remember from back when, they said over all battle effectiveness.
Arb is not TDM and the attack of ground units / bases constitutes towards a vehicles battle effectiveness aka overall score and influence in a battle.
So now look, the draken, used by many, bot farmer’s, farmers and players, ends up over BR’d due to being used for striking bases.
This action done by thousands, if not tens of thousands of players constitutes to its battle effectiveness, showing it to have more of an effect on the battle than it actually can have in an air to air roll.
The flow charts and what not make sense if you know how to read them.
Its also a far slower air frame with far worse acceleration that cannot sustain dodging many missiles.
You mentioned the rwr without context saying you need to use it and your eyes. When you can use a weak rwr to get the general direction then go cold.
Now as ive already said multiple times, after the nerfs the f104s at the higher brs i believe are no longer usable, they cannot sustain the fight at all, cannot out run anytbing as most jets even one step up are the same speed or faster. Do not have a suitable long range missile, if any, and cannot get into positions to use the IR missiles they have.
Im in agreement that these jets are objectively now no longer effective at their brs.
You keep using the word nuance which is totally incorrect for the situation of what i stated that the rwr on the mirage will give you the same pings, which is more than enough to go cold, Especially with a starfighter, to said missile. Not if you’re swarmed but not many jets rwr or not can manage that and come out on top.
Of course, what im meaning by what i said though was gaijin say they balance off of statistics of performance of vehicles.
But arbitrarily moved the mk24 down in anticipation of the sabers and migs moving down.
Meaning they will balance specific vehicles when needed.
As other seem to think they balance randomly, which it feels like sometimes but them moving the mk24 down to prevent it combating migs and sabers shows that they are acrually aware of what they are doing for the most part.
The post is not about these planes, it was the first thing I made very clear and explicit in the publication, I don’t know why you are insisting on the part that goes off topic
You’ve got to be kidding what you’re talking about. You must have a kDA of 3 with the Mig19. Please upload a YouTube video and show me that unique way to play it.
It’s a plane that just holds and turns somewhat better than average, but has no flares or good missiles.
It is F8u2, Hunter, A5c and at low altitude a10 and su25 fodder. to name a few.
ARB quite literally is TDM thanks to gaijin removing almost all influence on the match for bombers/attackers. Games are very rarely decided by the miniscule something like 5% a base bleeds from tickets. Bombers are just treated as afk planes that are food for fighters atm.
It has zero effect on the battle. It just earns RP/SL to rocket a base.
F-104 doesnt have good energy retention OR turning now so idk what you’re complaining about. Mirage F1 can definitely avoid missiles just fine without much issue. F-104 cannot.
There is zero reason to keep comparing to the Mirage F1 anyway. It’s not relevant.
compared to python, magic II, pl5C and r73, yes this one is mediocre…
You only argue using false equivalence, and constantly stray from the topic.
The main issue being debated is the f104G onwards… mainly the f104S…
and as you said before, it’s precisely the part of the topic where you can’t give your opinion…
If you can’t contribute to the topic, or at least stay in it, I don’t know why you’re here.
Probably only F-104A/C, F-104J, F-104S.ASA have major problems with F-104 BR.
Compare to other aircrafts which has same BR, G model except ROCAF one is fine.
Maybe, regular S model has problem but, It is trivial compared to the F-104A/C and F-104S.ASA.
None of the ones you mentioned are in the same range (11.3-12.3) as the f104S.
They are 13.0 aircraft with exceptional flight performance, with avionics suitable for the br, which allow them to have full situational awareness and perform evasive maneuvers.
Completely different situation and completely not equivalent to the f104 situation.
You and I have agreed on most things. So it’s weird for your post to imply you don’t agree with most of your own takes…
Just cause we vocally disagree on a tiny amount of things doesn’t discount how much we agree.
dude… the mig19 is still considered one of the best dogfighters Br for Br. im not kidding at all xD it can use rockets for flares, has two missiles that can force turns or catch folks stalled out, it has insane climb rate, turn rate, and sustained which is its go to. it can and does beat F8U2s.
jesus it used to be 10.0 along side the U2. it only got stuffed down when all aspect missiles appeared on the scene
i mean even defyn considers it still insanely strong.
the dude im talking to about the damn Aim9L is saying the missile sucks.
The aim9L is a fantastic missile.
The f104s at the higher brs aka 11.3s are what suck, theyre over BRd, even i know this from seeing them after the changes to them, they are infact useless. its not false equivelant at all. the F104 that has aim9Ls at least has the advantage of having some extremely good missiles, not IRCCM good but certainly no blow over.
now this is going far too off topic for what this is.
im in agreement the F104s at 11.3, are compressed to uselessness.
however whats the solution ? shove an F104 that has 6 x aim9Ls down to 10.7? where it can see 9.7 jets? what would a hunter F6 do against someone with an insanely fast and well armed platform. its swings and roundabouts. we need more decompression and to move things such as the mirage 2k, F14A and other such area BRd jets away from jets taht cannot compete with them at all.
again, all of said missiles are IRCCM missiles, which only specific jets at 12.3 have.
R73 is on a strike craft, python, magic 2 and PL5C are all IRCCM missiles which i specifically said are objectively better than the 9L
however that does not make the 9L a mediocre missile by any standard and as i said it is still a more than sufficient missile on the platforms that use it at even 13.0
the missile isnt what is holding back the 11.3 F104, the issue is its flight model and the compression from higher BR far more potent jets. or would you have an F104 with 6 x aim9Ls be downtiered to 10.7 ? for it to do what exactly completely destroy the brackets bellow it