F-104 doesnt have good energy retention OR turning now so idk what you’re complaining about. Mirage F1 can definitely avoid missiles just fine without much issue. F-104 cannot.
There is zero reason to keep comparing to the Mirage F1 anyway. It’s not relevant.
No I’m using it quite well here.
The AJ is a Block 10, the best dogfighter in game.
compared to python, magic II, pl5C and r73, yes this one is mediocre…
You only argue using false equivalence, and constantly stray from the topic.
The main issue being debated is the f104G onwards… mainly the f104S…
and as you said before, it’s precisely the part of the topic where you can’t give your opinion…
If you can’t contribute to the topic, or at least stay in it, I don’t know why you’re here.
Probably only F-104A/C, F-104J, F-104S.ASA have major problems with F-104 BR.
Compare to other aircrafts which has same BR, G model except ROCAF one is fine.
Maybe, regular S model has problem but, It is trivial compared to the F-104A/C and F-104S.ASA.
another good example of false equivalence…
None of the ones you mentioned are in the same range (11.3-12.3) as the f104S.
They are 13.0 aircraft with exceptional flight performance, with avionics suitable for the br, which allow them to have full situational awareness and perform evasive maneuvers.
Completely different situation and completely not equivalent to the f104 situation.
I have 3+ KDR on Chinese MiG-19 but, I would say it is still possible to deal against some 10.0 jets such as Mirage 5F or F-8E(FN).
However, It DOESN’T mean “can kill them consistently” and, it really depends enemy has some braincells or not.
If enemy has x2 braincells that actually works, I would be dead.
So you never said this?
You and I have agreed on most things. So it’s weird for your post to imply you don’t agree with most of your own takes…
Just cause we vocally disagree on a tiny amount of things doesn’t discount how much we agree.
dude… the mig19 is still considered one of the best dogfighters Br for Br. im not kidding at all xD it can use rockets for flares, has two missiles that can force turns or catch folks stalled out, it has insane climb rate, turn rate, and sustained which is its go to. it can and does beat F8U2s.
jesus it used to be 10.0 along side the U2. it only got stuffed down when all aspect missiles appeared on the scene
i mean even defyn considers it still insanely strong.
yet again not what im saying at all
the dude im talking to about the damn Aim9L is saying the missile sucks.
The aim9L is a fantastic missile.
The f104s at the higher brs aka 11.3s are what suck, theyre over BRd, even i know this from seeing them after the changes to them, they are infact useless. its not false equivelant at all. the F104 that has aim9Ls at least has the advantage of having some extremely good missiles, not IRCCM good but certainly no blow over.
now this is going far too off topic for what this is.
im in agreement the F104s at 11.3, are compressed to uselessness.
however whats the solution ? shove an F104 that has 6 x aim9Ls down to 10.7? where it can see 9.7 jets? what would a hunter F6 do against someone with an insanely fast and well armed platform. its swings and roundabouts. we need more decompression and to move things such as the mirage 2k, F14A and other such area BRd jets away from jets taht cannot compete with them at all.
edit; changed the 4 x 9Ls to 6
again, all of said missiles are IRCCM missiles, which only specific jets at 12.3 have.
R73 is on a strike craft, python, magic 2 and PL5C are all IRCCM missiles which i specifically said are objectively better than the 9L
however that does not make the 9L a mediocre missile by any standard and as i said it is still a more than sufficient missile on the platforms that use it at even 13.0
the missile isnt what is holding back the 11.3 F104, the issue is its flight model and the compression from higher BR far more potent jets. or would you have an F104 with 6 x aim9Ls be downtiered to 10.7 ? for it to do what exactly completely destroy the brackets bellow it
At what point was this said?
the way your entire post is worded makes it sound implied, my apologies if it isnt
Python 3 e pl5c do not have irccm
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again was about to edit that as i did the one saying 4 x 9Ls. python 3 is essentially a faster accelerating 9L, and PL5C what jet is that on? xD ive got china up to 11.3 not seeing the C on any jet.
and the TAS RN is 11.3, realistically even if it goes to 11.0 its going to demolish anything bellow it. rather move stuff up, thats above it.
The ASA like i said definitely needs to go down thats not even a debate.
again though the way your post is worded shows that the youd like the BRs to go down, ive gotten yourself mixed up with some of the other comments i was reading across about the BRs. my apologies there.
only python in that grouping is relevant to 9L, the rest are higher tier IRCCM missiles or the magic 2
JH7
TAF is much inferior to planes like j7D, J7E and F5E which are 11.0, TAF was from this BR and never overperformed, now after the FM changes it should go back to 11.0
it should be a 11.7, it is on par with the mig 23 in many aspects, it doesn’t make sense for it to have a bigger br than the mig23
I indeed didn’t have problems with Fakour/AIM 54 when flying low and basically flying away from the center of the map. But there are short-mid range AIM-7F, R24R, R27 etc
The ASA is just in a very bad spot because it too has radar missiles but very little way to defend against them, so it can’t really go any lower. If gaijin doesn’t want to fix that than they have to decompress.
in that same br range 11-11.3 vc, already facing A10C with aim9m, MAW and HDM… It’s definitely not TAF that will break the game